Top 5 pound for pound after 5 years

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  1. willcross

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  4. BoxingNL

    BoxingNL Dutch P4P Champion Full Member

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    I think guys like Usyk and Ryota Murata will be high on that list as well.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I scored the Marquez vs Bradley fight a draw. People gave it to Bradley on aggression, and because Marquez counter punching style isn't flashy. I also gave the Provodnikov fight to Provo by a point, and Provo is a one dimensional mauler who any decent boxer shouldn't have struggled against the way Bradley did. Bradley's career has been all about gift decisions and bad judging.

    Let's see, five years means you can knock off all the guys over thirty now, which leaves.

    Tomoki Kameda (22)
    Saul Alvarez (23)
    Adrien Broner (24)
    Anthony Joshua (24)
    Tyson Fury (25)
    Keith Thurman (25)
    Danny Garcia (26)
    Miguel Angel Garcia (26)
    Terence Crawford (26)
    Roman Gonzalez (26)
    Vasyl Lomachenko (26)
    Gary Russell Jr (26)
    Koki Kameda (27)
    Oleksander Usyk (27)
    Deontay Wilder (28 )
    Andre Ward (30)

    + some prospects, some of the big amateurs who haven't turned pro yet, and some of the little guys who don't fight in America. Might also want to include some random German/Russian/Ukrainian wild cards in the mix, since that area is a hotbed of boxing right now, and a bunch of names we don't know yet but will after the 2016 Olympic Games.
     
  6. AssaultJoker

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    LOL Ward and Bradley are only 30 years old, why should they retire after 5 years? Today most of the boxers finish their careers being 40 years old. As for Rigo and GGG, they are too dominant in their divisions, the same is with Wlad who himself stated that he want to stay at the top as long as possible...
     
  7. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Easily #1 or 2.
    Depending on if ggg is still fighting.
    Once Floyd retires ggg is 1 with Spence jr with him.
    They are both head n shoulders above the rest
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    It'll probably be two or three guys that are being frequently mentioned and then other guys that if you named at this moment people would look at you funny.

    I know that below I have listed a whole bunch of guys. Just giving the list of guys who I feel fall in certain categories for discussion's sake and who I'd probably list if given 20 guesses. If I had to name X amount of guys who I thought might be in the top 5 P4P in 5 years, I would probably list these first four and then would have to think among the remaining heavily...

    Roman Gonzalez - 27 years old, 39-0, former 2 division titlist
    Saul Alvarez - 23 years old, 43-1-1, former unified JMW champ
    Mikey Garcia - 26 years old, 34-0, current JLW titlist, former 2 division titlist
    Danny Garcia - 26 years old, 28-0, current unified JWW champ

    Good enough shot among current top ranked guys, current 30+ guys:
    Andre Ward - 30 years old, 27-0, current SMW champ
    Tim Bradley - 30 years old, 31-1, former 2 division titlist, unified at JWW
    Nonito Donaire - 31 years old, 33-2, current FW titlist, former 4 division titlist, unified at 118 and 122
    Erislandy Lara - 31 years old, 19-1-2, unfortunately and criminally there is nothing to report here
    Gennady Golovkin - 32 years old, 29-0, current MW titlist

    Random wild card guys, longtime titlists under 30 or young titlists:
    Marco Huck - 29 years old, 37-2-1, current CW titlist
    Miguel Vazquez - 27 years old, 34-3, current LW titlist
    Vasyl Lomachenko - 26 years old, 2-1, current FW titlist
    Kazuto Ioka - 25 years old, 14-1, former 2 division titlist, unified at 105
    Naoya Inoue - 21 year old, 6-0, current 108 titlist
    Demetrius Andrade - 26 years old, 21-0, current JMW titlist
    Shawn Porter - 26 years old, 24-0-1, current WW titlist

    Heavier outside shots but a notable chance due to promotional opportunities, fame, etc (emphasis on "outside shots"):
    Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - 28 years old, 48-1-1, former MW titlist
    Adrien Broner - 24 years old, 28-1, former 3 division titlist
    Amir Khan - 27 years old, 29-3, former unified JWW titlist

    Big outside shots due to age, yet shout outs nonetheless:
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 37 years old, 46-0, current P4P #1
    Manny Pacquiao - 35 years old, 56-3-2, current P4P #2

    Think about it... The Ring Mag top 10 P4P at the end of 2009 was: Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, Marquez, Donaire, Cotto, Caballero, Dawson, P. Williams... Who would have guessed that 6 of them are still either on or right outside of everyone's top 10 P4P list now? And that list didn't have then 33 year old Wladimir either...
     
  9. Staminakills

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    Just curious, what real ww had he fought and showed he is elite.
    Bradley couldn't ever be elite in my book
     
  10. AssaultJoker

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    Bradley was the first to beat Alexander, the first to beat Abregu, outboxed Marquez and Provodnikov, fighted both quite close fights with Pac, at least Pac wasn't dominating him like almost every other fighter except Marquez and hypothetically Floyd...

    If Bradley isn't elite, then who is?
     
  11. Gannicus

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    1. Vasiliy Lomachenko
    a. World title in 3rd pro fight
    b. Unifies the titles very quickly to be the undisputed champion at 126lbs
    c. Beats whoever pops up in the scene over the next few years - including ATG Guillermo Rigondeaux.
    d. Moves up to 130lbs and dominates.

    2. Andre Ward
    a. He'll have beat all the new-coming 168lbers who actually seem legit. He'll have unified at 175lbs, beating tough competition like Beterbiev, maybe Mekhontsev, Kovalev, Joe Ward. He'll also move up to heavyweight like he said to beat someone there - the scope is high for Andre.

    3. Roman Gonzalez
    b. Beats Yaegashi, defends against Ioka, Ruenroeng, Estrada, Inoue brothers to become a legit ATG and a legit flyweight champ since Ricardo Lopez.
    Who knows how Roman Gonzalez vs Robeisy Ramirez will go in 5 years, as it stands Robeisy gives off the impression that he lacks focus and when he makes the move to Miami, will be a shadow of his former self but will be good enough to call a monstrous win in the pros.

    - These three I think are certainties for Top 5.

    The others, I'm not so sure about. Rigondeaux will be retired by then, just about.

    EDIT: a. Canelo may be past prime by then since he turned pro at age 15 b. Canelo will always have Gasnelo issues.
     
  12. takahiro-onaga

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    Either of Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka, Masayoshi Nakatani, Murata and Hiroki Okada.
     
  13. Farmboxer

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