Top 5 Super Flyweights Of All Time?

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I own quite a bit of footage of the Super Flyweight division's main players. I wouldn't really know how to rank them all, though. Where would you place such men as; Galaxy, Roman, Watanabe, Tapia, and Moon? Would more modern fighters like Tokuyama, Darchinyan, or Montiel make the cut? Try to include reasoning for your placements.

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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Watanabe, Roman, Konadu, and Moon without question. The last spot would be between Galaxy and Tapia, depending on what you prefer. I might give the slight edge to Tapia. I'd also put Gustavo Ballas ahead of the other men you named.
     
  3. teeto

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    Well Tapia is my pick as the best, just thought i'd get that out there. I like Watanabe as a boxer head to head though, and he had a quality career, Moon did as well in a short space of time. Moon has a fine resume. There's no clear cut number one imo.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Galaxy made 19 defenses of his title. He doesn't get in a top 5? He has to be there...surely?
     
  5. El Bujia

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    He fought lesser opposition at the weight than any of the men outside of perhaps Tapia, in my opinion. What swings it in Tapia's favor for me is that I believe him to have been the slightly superior fighter/more versatile head to head threat. I do think Galaxy is capable of beating a good many of those guys, though, and would have no argument whatsoever with any placing him inside the top 5 or even top 3.

    Watanabe didn't face the best opposition on the whole, either, but he's my pick as the best of the bunch on film.
     
  6. teeto

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    For me he's up there. I'm not one of these people who just disregards him because of his resume. But others beat better fighters. Galaxy can't be denied as a fighter that deserves credit to me, it's hard to say, let's look at Roman for instance, had a quality career, and beat Jiro Watanabe. Who should be higher at the weight in your opinion?
     
  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I think it is true...
     
  8. Addie

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    I tend to agree when you say it's tight, and that there is no out and out winner among the Super Flyweights. Guys like Roman and Watanabe, especially, were both consistent, and both saw off a similar number of former titlists. I thought Laciar was a very good fighter, and does a lot for the resume of Roman. I really couldn't begin to answer your question, though. I don't think I really know enough to be absolutely confident in ranking them. It wouldn't even be fair, I have like 9-10 fights of Roman and none of Watanabe, who I've only had the pleasure of seeing on Youtube.

    Back to Galaxy, though, I think maybe we should consider the manner in which he was winning his title defenses. He was blowing most of them away, and it says a lot of a fighter that is that consistent for that amount of time, even against lesser competition.
     
  9. El Bujia

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    Watanabe was at the end of his ropes when Roman beat him, though. The same goes for Roman when Konadu and Moon beat him. Moon's wins over Konadu are the best of the bunch all things considered.
     
  10. teeto

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    Yeah, a lot of the time, when someone who may have been considered a great champion/titlist like Galaxy or Foster, if they don't have a great resume, then people seem to assume that that means they would be beaten by any great fighters. But that's speculation. For all we know, Galaxy would have treated Roman just like one of his routine defences. I doubt it, but you get what i mean? It's like with Mayweather, 'he'd get absolutely destroyed by so and so', well he's never come within a mile of that happening to him in reality so it's a stretch to assume that would happen to him just because he is fighting someone of a higher caliber than those he has beaten, and easily for the most part. The height of speculation is seen on forums sometimes.

    Anyway, Galaxy, not my number one at this weight, simply because of resume, but because this weight is so tight and non-descript in terms of its history, he's definitely being considered as top five material.

    I'm off for a few hours now mate.
     
  11. Addie

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    Moon really put a beating on Konadu, both times. A stylistic mismatch I felt. If they fought a 100 times, Konadu would have received beatings a 100 times.

    Do you think even a prime Roman would have fared that well with a buzzsaw like Moon? His relentless style might just have the beating of a fighter like Roman, who liked to slow things down on the outside with his jab and relied on his reflexes quite a lot. He'd probably get tagged at some point or another.
     
  12. Addie

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    Also, Bujia, have you seen any of Gerry Penalosa's losses? He fought close fights with Choo and Tokuyama, both times in the opponents backyard. I have my own views about these fights, but I was just wondering if you had happened to have seen them yet?
     
  13. teeto

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    On film its Tapia or Watanabe for me. Resume wise though, the Watanabe win is big for Roman. Watanabe just looks a better fighter than Roman, but resume is resume, it's close, and if Roman wouldn't have gotten that win over Laciar, i'd probably have Watanabe over him regardless. Roman's a huge darkhorse here imo.
     
  14. Addie

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    :good I'd find it strange for someone to have Roman outside of a top 3 considering the title defenses he made, and the opposition he faced and defeated.
     
  15. El Bujia

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    Penalosa's a guy I haven't watched too much of, actually. Neither of the fights you mentioned, anyway. He seems a poised, technically sound sort of minimalist type from what I've seen. Not on the same tier talent-wise compared to the aforementioned guys. I'll get around to checking those fights out, though.

    It slipped my mind, but Laciar also fares very well against the pack of fighters I mentioned. Those guys were all on the same tier, in my opinion.

    I agree with you on Moon being a bad styles matchup for Konadu in general, and I'd assume the same to be true for Roman if only given Moon's physical advantages against him. A bout between Moon and Galaxy is a very hard call, pretty much 50/50. Watanabe and Tapia are probably the best calls to beat Moon.