Top 5 Super Flyweights Of All Time?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Addie, Sep 27, 2010.


  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    You should watch his title winning effort against Kawashima. Kawashima wasa good fighter, good enough to have amounted 6 successful title defenses, but he was pretty much schooled against Penalosa. Boxrec will tell you that the fight was a Split Decision, but it wasn't all that close. I think I had something like 9-3, 8-4. The fight was of course held in Japan, Kawashima's homeland.

    I'll only say that a fighter like Roman could have certainly fought the likes of Choo and Tokuyama in Korea and Japan and come out on the losing end. Both tall fighters who liked to lurk on the outside, and throw jabs and not exchange all to much. A nightmare, but in the event you clearly outscore them, and clearly win more rounds, you'll still do well to get the decision in their backyard.
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Possible because he is a boxer type at the end of hte day, but Roman was much more of a get things done warrior type with a higher workrate than Penalosa imo.Look at the Watanabe or Laciar fights.

    Penalosa too often fought like he had taken a few hits on the bong before the fight.Let things get away from him like Marlon Starling would, though he did it because he was a lunatic.


    Konadu was never as good going backwards and just couldn't cope with Moon's awkward momentum and power.Those are definitely the best Superflyweight wins.I'd like to have seen Konadu vs Tapia when both were at their peak.
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    How did you score his controversial losses in Korea and Japan?
     
  4. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Haven't watched them in years unfortunately.Maybe we could do them if someone more dedicated than i can get a scoring controversial fights thread going.:good
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'll certainly look to upload both Tokuyama fights and one of the Choo fights in the coming weeks. I had him winning all three, and the second Tokuyama fight I didn't really have close at all. 9-3. I could have conceivably seen 7-5, but that would be as far as it goes. Whether you're impressed with Penalosa or not, it's hard to ignore the implications of split decision losses in places like Korea and Japan.
     
  6. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I honsetly don't know enough about these guys yet to go on resume. But I love watching them and learning more all the time. Watanabe is quickly becoming one of my favorite fighters. He's the best I've seen on film. I guess I would go:

    Jiro Watanabe
    Tapia
    Roman
    Moon
    Konadu
    Galaxy

    Galaxy has his lovers and haters but he eats too many right hands for my liking. He walks through a lot, but I think that would catch up to him at the highest level. Tapia could be a little too strong for Roman IMO. But ultimately, I think Watanabe's class would carry him through most of these matchups.
     
  7. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    I didn't see Gustavo Ballas mentioned...

    Does anyone think he has a shot at a top 5 ranking?
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Roman did quite well even past his prime, with his deft foot movement and good jab. Because of the supreme physical strength of Moon he had to resort to a sort of 'Buchanan-esque' boxing strategy as he popped the jab and moved.

    I think a primed Roman with his lateral movement and ability to fire as he moves, keeping his man not set and off balance, would completely muck up Moon trying to storm forward. And when Moon did get into Roman, Roman was sturdy and hit hard enough to keep it even.

    I see a wide-ish UD for Roman if they fought.

    I would probably have it something like this.

    Roman
    Watanabe
    Galaxy
    Tapia
    Moon
     
  9. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    Samson Dutch Boy Gym

    Any takers just for his record?

    I mean if Galaxy is impressive with 19 defenses isn't Samson nearly TWICE as impressive?

    Admittedly many of his wins are against Bangkok cab drivers - but not all.
    And cab driver in Thailand are pretty tough LOL

    form Wikipedia (not boxrec as previously stated)
    He (Sampson) won the lightly-regarded WBF version of the world super flyweight title in September 1994, in his fourth professional fight. He would hold that title for the next eight years, beating such opponents as Cruz Carbajal, Hugo Rafael Soto, Diosdado Gabi and Genaro Garcia. In total he made 38 consecutive defenses of the title, before retiring in April 2002 with a final record of 43-0 (36KO), making him one of a handful of boxers to retire undefeated.