Top 5 Super Middle Weights of all time?

I should have also said Liles.

 

No I would say:
1. Roy Jones Jr
2. James Toney
3. Andre Ward
4. Super Joe Calzaghe
5. Canelo Alvarez

 

Well there is Benaivides, Charlo and Boo Andrade for starters.

 

Toney is number 2.

 

How with his smw resume could you have him at #2?

 

Easily he beat everybody champions and top contenders until he outgrew the division and lost to RJJ at his peak. You really think any of the others beats peak Toney?

 

This^^^ & Calzaghe speed would beat Ward.

 

1. Calzaghe
2. Roy Jones
3...rest

 

Not at smw he didn't

Below is a very old post that I copied from an old post

look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)and finally the Jones fight which he lost


Above isn't all something I had written but a copied post where I just edited a few bits


Edit
Toney only had 3 successful smw title defences

Thornton
Littles
Williams

The Williams fight was a tough fight

 

Get Gingers **** out of your mouth. You're not making sense.

 

Prince Charles Williams was the then undefeated Light heavyweight champion who chose to fight Toney because JT was the man.

 

Honorable mentions to Brits Chris Eubanks Snr, Nigel Benn, Carl Froch, George Groves, James DeGale and Viking warrior Kessler.

 

1. Calzaghe
2. Ward
3. Jones

This top 3 is interchangeable for me. I can see a case for either of these three being the GOAT SMW.
The next two is a bit more tricky, but I will go with:

4. Froch
5. Toney

But there is a lot of honorable mentions from here.

 

Sensible post.
One of few on here.