Top 50 All-time Great Boxers - Accomplishment, Ability and Impact!

You should try to be more objective when making lists like this or it impacts on your credibility as a poster. There is no justification for having Pacquiao over McLarnin at this point, let alone 38 places ahead.

In simple terms, both went from flyweight to welterweight, both ability wise are top-draw, longevity Pacquiao has 12 years between top wins, McLarnin 11 and fought far more regularly so it's hard to favour Pacquiao in that department, resume wise in simple terms:

Fidel La Barba (Twice)
Pancho Villa
Memphis Pal Moore (Draw)
Bud Taylor
Louis Kaplan
Billy Petrolle
Benny Leonard
Young Corbett III
Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Lou Ambers
Sammy Mandell
Al Singer
Young Jack Thompson

vs

Marco Antonio Barrera (Twice)
Erik Morales (Twice)
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Margarito
Joshua Clottey
Chatchai Sasakul
Juan Manuel Marquez (Once plus draw)
Oscar Larios
Ricky Hatton
David Diaz
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Jorge Solis
Nedal Hussein

 

It wasn´t. Mentioned it a few times in the past. I disagree with the rest though. Robinson was very consistant until his first retirement. After that he was past it and his inconsistency shouldn´t weight too much. He also had more fights than Ryan, even so I admit we probably don´t know about all of his fights. Robinson also fought better opposition in both weightclasses. I think Robinson should be ahead of Ryan. And clearly. But Ryan should at least be Top20, probably Top15 and perhaps even Top10.

 

You have to mention that LaBarba was a novice and Villa had a terrible infection and died 3 days later though.

 

If you say ex-flyweight for Pac, you´ve to say ex-ww for Margo - still impressive enough.

 

I've also not mentioned Morales being past-prime, De La Hoya past-prime and severely weight-drained etc. I was just listing names.

LaBarba beat Frankie Genaro 7 months later, winning the Flyweight title in the process, and was also an Olympic Gold medalist.

Villa died 10 days later. The infection wasn't discovered until after the McLarnin bout, when he had a bit of swelling after removal of a tooth. As I said, the infection was discovered and spread after. He was well even for the few days proceeding the McLarnin bout to ignore doctor's ignores and spend his time getting drunk, so he can't have been in that bad a condition for McLarnin.

 

And Rocky Marciano was losing to Joe Walcott, when his right hand kod
Jersey Joe.,That's what punchers do...

 

YES,,,,,,,,,,,the great 'come-from-behind',,,,,,,,'solar plexus punch'

Ruby Fitzsimmons a great fighter yes,,,,,,,,and remarkable accomplishments.

But the guy was a wife-beater too!!

Any social impact their?

 

And Joe louis was losing to Billy Conn until the fatal 13th round.
It's the horse that crosses the finish line first, that counts...

 

The former when you're taking into account quality. Pacquiao may have had a big weight disadvantage, but he wasn't a flyweight going into that fight was he? He was probably a light-welterweight, against a big welterweight with a big disparity in overall quality.

If we're comparing top wins though, what's better, beating a near-prime maybe top 75 ATG a couple of lbs above his best weight, or beating a peak, definite top 20 ATG at probably his best weight with a couple of lbs weight advantage?

 

McGreat,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thats why the list should just stay with the 'TOP 5',,,,,,,

1) Sugar Ray Robinson 'The Greatest Fighter'
2) Joe Louis 'The Greatest Heavyweight'
3) Muhammd Ali 'The Greatest Showman'
4) Rocky Marciano "The Greatest Record'
5) Jack Dempsey 'The Greatest Puncher'

 

3 negro's? General forum is one up:deal. When men were men negro's weren't allowed to fight for the title, for their own safety. There was a bigger talent pool in 1850-1920's White North America than there has been in 1930-2000 All race Planet Earth