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Top 50 Heavyweights 1930-1960

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hello ESB Members,

    Myself and Edward Morbius combined our minds together as a team to form a Top 50 Heavyweights during the period of 1930-1960. Over the past 4 days, Edward and I have had great discussions with some very difficult decisions to make. Today, we were able to come to an agreement and complete our list for the entire forum to view. I think everyone is going to enjoy this list. This period was a very interesting era in boxing history. We look forward to some lengthy discussions, and will answer any questions people might have on our selections. We would love to hear your feedback.

    Criteria:

    A boxer rated in The Ring Magazine Annual top five between 1930-1960, or if not rated this high or at all, his career peaked during this era. We would like to emphasize that we also looked at pretty much every "major player" during this era and strongly considered men like Eddie Blunt and Karel Sys who never, or only briefly, appeared high in the ratings, but had strong careers.

    Here is the basis for how we formed our selections

    1--beat top men at or near their career peaks
    2--fought and beat a lot of good men.
    3--consistency
    4--longevity
    5--bad losses and inconsistency hurt, but aren't as important as #1 or #2. We were more interested in which good fighters were defeated than which bad fighters were lost to.
    6--high paper ratings don't trump the above.
    7--performances before 1930 or after 1960 count if the fighter meets the eligibility requirements.



    Look Below for the Top 50 List
     
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  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SuzieQ49 & Edward Morbius present

    Top 50 Heavyweights during the period of 1930-1960


    1--Joe Louis
    2--Rocky Marciano
    3--Sonny Liston
    4--Ezzard Charles
    5--Max Schmeling
    6--Jersey Joe Walcott
    7--Floyd Patterson
    8--Max Baer
    9--Ingemar Johansson
    10--Elmer Ray
    11--Billy Conn
    12--Archie Moore
    13--Jack Sharkey
    14--Harold Johnson
    15--Eddie Machen
    16--Primo Carnera
    17--Tommy Loughran
    18--Jimmy Bivins
    19--Rex Layne
    20--Zora Folley
    21--Steve Hamas
    22--Nino Valdes
    23--Ernie Schaaf
    24--Lou Nova
    25--Bob Pastor
    26-- Larry Gains
    27--Joey Maxim
    28--Lee Q Murray
    29--Turkey Thompson
    30--Jimmy Braddock
    31--Joe Baksi
    32-- Hurricane Jackson
    33--Melio Bettina
    34--Clarence Henry
    35--Roscoe Toles
    36--Bob Satterfield
    37--Bob Baker
    38--Tommy Farr
    39--Lee Savold
    40--Paulino Uzcuden
    41--Arturo Godoy
    42--Buddy Baer
    43--John Holman
    44--Walter Neusel
    45--Henry Cooper
    46--Roy Harris
    47--Lem Franklin
    48--Alberto Lovell
    49--Roland Lastarza
    50--Tami Mauriello


    We would like to acknowledge a few near misses who were outstanding fighters but fell just short of making our top 50.

    Near Misses:

    Lee Oma, Nathan Mann, Gus Dorazio, Eddie Blunt, Harry Bobo, Karel Sys, Curtis Sheppard
     
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  3. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Difficult task but excellent Job, I may have switched Walcott above Schmeling but Max did have the tremedous win over the brown bomber so can not argue with that
     
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  4. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    Cool, thank you guys for the content.

    Can’t argue with the top 3.
    I can’t see how Carnera shouldn’t be #10.

    Good work again.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of us will respond to you regarding Carnera’s placement

    Thanks for reading!
     
  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My god how did you come up with 50? You mean there were more?
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a deep period. A lot of accomplished contenders.
     
  8. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mods you had to change the thread title? I want people to read
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Close to how I see it. The guy most out of place is Henry, who for a while looked like the next champion.

    While I don't think there was a lot of depth from 1930-1960, there were some very good filmed fights.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    See if you considered a fighter, did you consider his whole career? Or were you just looking at things that happened in this time?
     
  12. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Our criteria is listed. If the fighter made the top 5 of The Ring annual rankings between 1930-1960, or his career peaked during this period if he didn't. This rules out guys like Ernie Terrell and Cleveland Williams, who peaked after 1960, and George Godfrey and Johnny Risko, who peaked before 1930.

    A guy like Folley, a top contender in the 1950's, is in, and his total record counts.

    We tried to be precise because this is obviously a tricky problem when going across decades.

    I hope we were clear on our criteria. Any criteria would be a bit arbitrary on this point I think.
     
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  13. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Henry

    "for a while looked like the next champion."

    So did several guys on this list. Nova for example. And Machen. But potential is not reality. When you get down to it, whom did Henry beat? Old Bivins? Only after getting stopped in the first fight. Satterfield? A good win, but totally an in and outer. Baker? Stopped by Moore and Satterfield, and beaten twice by Jackson.

    Henry fought only the two LH champions, Johnson and Moore, and lost to both. Even on the way up, there is the bad loss to Buford.

    Perhaps this was poor luck, or an injury, or some combination, but we went by real inside the ring accomplishment.

    If you ask why fellows like Nova & Machen, who also came up short of what seemed their potential, finished higher, they still did a lot more than Henry. Nova KO'd Baer twice. Machen only lost or drew with top five men until well past thirty.
     
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  14. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    This subjcet would make more sense from 1935 - 1965 (or 1945 to 1975) as timeline.

    But I try it:

    1. Rocky Marciano
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Jack Johnson
    4. Jersey Joe Walcott
    5. Max Schmeling
    6. Sonny Liston
    7. Floyd Patterson (would be ahead of Liston, if only the time till 1960 counts)
    8. Ezzard Charles
    9. Ingemar Johansson
    10. Max Baer
    11. Primo Carnera
    12. Young Stribling
    13. Jack Sharkey
    14. Don ****ell
    15. Harry Matthews
    16. Roland La Straza
    17. Pierre Charles
    18. James J. Braddock
    19. Archie Moore
    20. Walter Neusel
    21. Jack Renault
    22. Henry Cooper
    23. Steve Hamas
    24. Lou Nova
    25. Tommy Farr
    26. Cleveland Williams
    27. Rex Layne
    28. Lee Savold
    29. Eddie Machen
    30. Nino Valdes
    31. Arturo Godoy
    32. Buddy Baer
    33. Paolo Uzcudun
    34. Zora Folley
    35. Billy Conn
    36. 'Hurricane' Jackson
    37. Tommy Loughran
    38. Jimmy Bivins
    39. King Lewinsky
    40. Pete Rademacher
    41. Tami Mauriello
    42. Ernie Schaaf
    43. Elmar Ray
    44. Nathan Mann
    45. Bob Pastor
    46. Al Ettore
    47. Lamar Clark
    48. Abe Simon
    49. Hein ten-Hoff
    50. Charly Retzlaff
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh boy, I don’t even know how to describe that list