i'd pick hagler over the sugarman because ,at his peak srr was only 150lb at best and thats not big enough to keep hagler off.i couldn't see even the biggest hitters at middle hurting hagler. where is dave sands in the top 50,flamengo ??
Would you rate SRR below Haglar.... purely due to his own weight, during the incredible period of which he dominated???? Sands, being unfulfilled has warrant for top 25. Had he survived to show his finest, a top 10 spot would be a chance. PURE SPECULATION. Allowing Sands to fight into his late 20's... He'd be remembered alongside SRR, Haglar, Monzon. The era would have provided some fantastic matches for Dave Sands. Sands may have become part of the 'round robin' of SRR's departure/returns, yet he'd have been a great handful for SRR on most nights. IMO, a better performer against a Joey Maxim.... especially in the heat. For Sands, mental stability (homesickness) whilst abroad was a deficet, as it was for numerous others. I'd like to give Sands all benefits of greatness, had he been allowed the chance.
Roy Jones shouldn't be in that list. He wasn't at MW long enough and although he ranks high H2H doesn't have a good enough resume at MW to put him THAT high. For me, Hagler is no.1.
i just think that top 5 per decade should be considered...i feel that joppy is top 5 in the 1990-1999
During that period you had Hopkins, Toney, Jones, McCallum, Kalambay, Nunn, Johnson, Collins, Eubank, Castro, Jackson. Joppy would need a good defense lawyer to get into the top 100 middleweights of all time I reckon.
I made the list on the fly, I know I omitted some greats. Please If anyone wants, post your lists. More thwart better... It aint easy. The Middleweights are sooo rich in talent.
Joppy being a long reigning champion was glaring evidence the middleweight division was really hitting a low point. the likes of him and keith holmes were barely even world class imo.
I admire you for attempting, I myself always refrain from making MW lists because I find them so difficult, but frankly you ****ed up when you put Jones ahead of Hopkins.
A list that has Jones , Antuofermo, Minter . On it but has no room for Mike Gibbons who beat O Dowd Ratner Smith McGoorty Bartfiels Dillon Greb Ted Lewis Wiilie Lewis Clabby McCoy and drew with Chip. Sorry read no further
I don't have a huge problem with your top 5 picks. Some of the other picks seem out of place. Picking top 25 middles is not easy.
Could someone explain how Valdez could possibly rank ahead of LaMotta? Am I the only one who noticed that?
OKay I put some more thought into it and have revised the list. This is based on performance at Middleweight. From a list of all Middlweight Champions. I am aware there are some Middleweight fighters who should be on the list, but did not win a championship at tha weiight. 1. Carlos Monzon 26. Joey Giardello 2. Ray Robinson 27. Gene Fullmer 3. Marvin Hagler 28. Frank Klaus 4. Bob Fitzsimmons 29. Michael Nunn 5. Harry Greb 30. Chris Eubank 6. Mickey Walker 31. Vito Antuofermo 7. Bernard Hopkins 32. Arthur Abraham 8. Tony Zale 33. Gerald McClellan 9. Tommy Ryan 34. Kid McCoy 10. Mike Gibbons 35. Johnny Wilson 11. Stanley Ketchel 36. Rocky Graziano 12. Emile Griffith 37. Randy Turpin 13. Jake LaMotta 38. Fred Apostoli 14. Roy Jones Jr. 39. Jermain Taylor 15. Mike O'Dowd 40. William Joppy 16. Rodrigo Valdez 41. Steve Collins 17. Dick Tiger 42. Billy Papke 18. Tiger Flowers 43. Alan Minter 19. James Toney 44. Kieth Holmes 20. Nino Benvenuti 45. Freddie Steele 21. Al McCoy 46. Bobo Olson 22. Nigel Benn 47. Carmen Basilio 23. Julian Jackson 48. Ray Leonard 24. Jack(NP)Dempsey 49. Thomas Hearns 25. Marcel Cerdan 50. Kelly Pavlik Some fighters you mentioned (Charly Burly & others did not appear on my list). I'm not familiar enough with these guys to rate them as of yet.