Top 55 Fighters, All Time

Very good names. I had all of these guys in my 100. Any specific births in mind for these boys?

 

Certianly not by my criteria. You want to make the guy #1, he has THREE great wins on his resume, and one of them is only great because it was at heavy.

Stretch.

 

I agree with most of this, just think you had him a bit low.

 

Benitez was #61 last time I did one, I think i'd have Gomez just below that. Which way around do you see them?

Ketchel is a monster puncher and a head to head nightmare. I really rate the guy. He is #1 on Mad Fleitcher's list at the wieght, blew out HW's, has a draw with the #1 fighter of all time (according to my list) and has more title defences than almost any other MW champ - all this squeezed into his limited number of years. A great fighter.

 

Make the case.

 

This needs explaining.

He wasn't in my 100.

 

Burley easily outstrips him in the pound for pound sense with wins up to HW. The comparison is not sensible when a p4p list is the subject (though you can rate Gavilan above him at WW without me losing the rag). Napoles though, you are onto something there.

Tell me what you make of Kid's 30 losses though? How many of those came at the very end? 10, 15? Hom many do you write off?

Anyway whether or not he makes the 55 i'll admit I may be underestimating him, think I had him at #70...

 

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It's that murderous equation - unbeaten versus good comp or suffering losses versus the very best. Noted, though.

 

Thanks. Tunney does have those Greb wins, too, I think a case can be made for him higher up unquestionably. What throws me is that those wins are "underweight wins". That is, Greb was a 160lb fighter coming up. Maybe the Dempsey wins really are Tunney's signature wins looked at from this point of view...Saddler is a h2h monster with those golden wins over a peak Pep.

 

His signature wins are over Azumah Nelson and Danny Lopez at each end of his title reign. These are cracking wins, yeah as good as anything Trinidad or Pryor have. He is a wonderfully skilled craftsman in the ring but it's his ability to adapt that most impresses me. When he's taxed he seemed to become a "find a way" fighter. Counterpunched with Lopez but is perfectly capable of going after the KO as he showed against Cowdell, behind on the cards, needed it, got it (a knock down which overhauled Cowdell on the cards, rather than a KO).

One loss, and he was 18 or 19. Died preaturely with his best years ahead of him. I may overate him because of that, but I'm pretty happy with the slot. He's definitely clear of Trinidad, and I have him 20 odd places ahead of Pryor.