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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Holy **** i didnt even see that......

    Wills is above McFarland!
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Mar 30, 2019
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I don't have a clue how beating Vitali Tua and an aging Holyfield can compare to Fitz's wins.

    Just beating Gardner in the state Fitz was in at that point in his career is incredible.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For the triple crown no less.

    But I think this guy has a different definition of pound-for-pound than you'd normally see.
     
    McGrain, Mar 30, 2019
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    That's fair, I've ranked this of wins (like at the time) hence why I like Wills high up with wins over Langford like 8 times, 5 over McVey and Some other decent ones.
    I'm a Lewis nuthugger
    I could see a swap for Marshall and Oakland. I don't rate Fitsimmons as high as others, the names of his wins aren't as impressive as the people above him. I can't see Armstrong any higher, again just in résumé and Achievements. I think the people above him are quite clearly above him.
    I'm not too sure with Leonard's placement so I think needs revisiting at some point.
    Burley is a bit like Leonard I need to revisit him.
    But thanks for this
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    That and
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I like Wills wins (I know his best were against a past prime Langford, but he has other good wins as well)
    But that's a pretty good point, I'll probably end up changing that
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Well yeah, he was 36 and shop warn, he just aged incredibly well. Walcott also aged well, but he wasn't in his prime, that's a bit like giving Calzhage loads of credit for beating Hopkins, and none for Jones (which he pretty much doesn't)

    I think Ezzard's stance came from Wanting to win the world title again. But he still wasn't as a quick or mobile as he was a good 6 years earlier. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Marciano.
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    He did beat some excellent fighters, but he also went on like 12 fight runs against guys starting there debut (the Zender seems like an incredible show of power)
    OG Dempsey was a great win, as was Corbett, O'Brian and he had a few others but he didn't have as many as Lewis and imo certainly not enough to be a top this list
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The records are incomplete, we don't know how many fights they had.

    His fight with Abe Cougle is down as Cougle's only fight, but he's already fought a 54 round draw. Who knows how many fights he had
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...------en--20--1--txt-txIN-+Abe+Cougle-------1

    Billy McCarthy, and opponent of Fitz and Dempsey, is down as 15-6-12 when he fought Ted White, but acording to the report at that point had been in 70 fights.

    I don't see why him fighting them really matters anyway, when he has several ATG wins.

    If you go back and read forum posts there are loads of paying saying nearly all of Wilde's opponents were on their pro debuts, but if you look at boxrec now, while still very incomplete, his opponents have way more fights, because did a load of research into them.
     
    BitPlayerVesti, Mar 30, 2019
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  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    No disrespect to Wills, but nobody has him number three all time at heavyweight.
     
    NoNeck, Mar 30, 2019
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    Yes I'm going to change that one
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  12. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you should at least evaluate it and/or why...personally the 23 slot you gave him overall is the ballpark of where he would come in on my HW list...I am not sure he would make the top 200? On mine
     
    PhillyPhan69, Mar 30, 2019
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    Im redoing it now, in fact it's nearly done. It's a hard to change these lists once you've typed them out
     
    George Crowcroft, Mar 30, 2019
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  14. McGrain

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    I think he would probably crack the 200 for me.

    But pound for pound. Wilde is a minimuweight/light-flyweight and he has victories over an elite featherweight. He did serious damage at bantamweight. These are wonderful pound-for-pound achievements, incredible stuff, for all that some of the bantamweight stuff is up in the air. There is very clear air between Wilde and any heavy no named Louis or Ali IMO.
     
    McGrain, Mar 30, 2019
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  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Excluding some of the more obvious criticisms, why Leonard quite a bit higher than Duran?
    Duran proved much more in a P4P sense, including beating Leonard himself past Duran's ideal weight.

    I would also have Harada and Jofre closer, although with Harada still ahead. I mean Jofre did come back and beat an ATG featherweight.

    I also think Jung Koo Chang and Young Griffo could fit into the top 75, although that isnt as popular an opinion.
     
    roughdiamond, Mar 30, 2019
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