Top Boxers with the worst defenses?

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  1. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    I wouldn't say he possesses any great defensive skills if I'm honest, though he obviously doesn't get hit a lot, his defence is generally just to hold, lean and tie up until the ref breaks him from his opponent.
     
  2. Jdsm

    Jdsm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad? :lol::lol::lol:

    Watch how he dictates distance with footwork and the extended glove. Also note the position of the right hand. He is a fantastic technical boxer, that includes his defense.
     
  3. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    He is a fantastic technical boxer, but his defensive strategy consists of two things - back up with arms outstretched, and if the opponent is within his range, tie them up. When his distance compromised he either jumps back, or holds.

    I wouldn't say that's great defence considering he's the best HW in the world :conf

    I don't expect him to be bending at the wait and compromising his height, but Vitali in his prime had what I would call good defence for a big man ad could deal with an opponents aggresion without excessively tying up

    So I will distinguish - does he have good defence? Yes, undoubtably

    Does he have great defensive skills? I would say definitely not
     
  4. Mavellous Mark

    Mavellous Mark Active Member Full Member

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    Jorge Linares has all the attributes to a be a Top Boxer, however is defence is shocking
     
  5. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    He has all the attributes to be the greatest boxer I have ever seen.
     
  6. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    footwork, can be considered in defence - wlad has a good defence.

    Katsidis, alvarado
     
  7. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree. Anything which keeps you out of harm's way or nullifies the chances of the opponent landing on you, is a form of defence. Wlad may have ridiculous height and reach advantages and he does resort to ugly stuff (holding, leaning on, etc), but it all contributes to him keeping his chin safe at all times. For that reason, dude has developed one of the safest defenses in the game.
     
  8. Jdsm

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    Have to disagree. Wlad uses everything he can to his advantage, such as footwork, which is a defensive skill; the extended glove is also a defensive skill. Possibly the most significant defensive skills of all, the feints and jabs - constantly making the opponent think and upsetting their balance and disrupting any rhythm.

    There is a lot of valid criticisms of Wlad, but I love watching him fight tbh. Everything he does is methodical, there is a lot to be learnt.
     
  9. AnthonyW

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    Although different defenses, there is really no difference between Wlad's footwork as a defense in making opponents miss, and Vitali's lean back approach to making opponents miss. Wlad's is actually more effective, Vitali gets away with it because it is Vitali.
     
  10. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, that's the way I see it, too. They're pretty similar, although Vitali probably keeps his hands lower and is more daring with his approach. Both us their feet and height in a similar way.
     
  11. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    No, I do love watching Wlad. (well...not his last few fights) The man has a lot of skill and a lot can be learned from his ranged fighting, It's early morning and I am probably being a tad bit harsh on him here

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419638

    that's pretty much what I think of his defence in there
     
  12. AnthonyW

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    I think I missed that thread, I'll check it out later.
     
  13. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It depends what you consider "defence".... but judging by your statements, seems that you consider defence only the gloves held around the head, and maybe some fascinating appearant dodging; no, if anything, one of the biggest sign of the Emanuel's Steward trainer greatness is the transformation he give to Wladimir, he really made a huge work with him under the style aspect....
    You seems like these guys saying "watch how Vitaly held his left low, he's amateurisch!" As Emanuel explained, he often hold his left that way just to intercept and anticipate the opponent's shots... No, Emanuel did a really good job, not only under the purely distance control/timing/ leaning/holding/intercepting/countering, but also about the fight management and control trough the various rounds... always keep in mind that 240 lbs are a pain to carry around for a human metabolism.
     
  14. DrMo

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    Golovkin isnt very good defensively, but he has a solid chin & anyone who stands & trades gets smashed to bits.
     
  15. simon850

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