Top Fifty All-Time Great at 175lbs

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was awful.////it consisted of Eddie stalking a fleeing Snipes, who scored enough with timid jabs and generally light punches to earn the decision. Nothing special at all,...just an epic foolish misadventure for Eddie Mustafa.
     
    red cobra, Mar 11, 2015
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  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Gregory was a lazy, weird fighter mentally in general.I don't think he had much knowledge around him in terms of how to properly add and take off weight, which along with his lax attitude killed him around the time of the Snipes and Spinks fights.
     
    lora, Mar 11, 2015
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  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh Rosenbloom ahead of McTigue for sure. I'm reading up on McTigue at the moment, the Siki fight was a snore fest but anywhere else, Siki gets it. Just my two cent...and I'm Irish!
    Did anybody mention Tiger Javk Fox? I'd have him well up.
     
    mattdonnellon, Mar 12, 2015
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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Id love it if there was any existing film of Slapsie Maxie. He's the great "X" factor of the lightheavyweight division.
     
    red cobra, Mar 12, 2015
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Did I ask about Rosenbloom? I meant to ask about Tiger Flowers.

    I did ask about Flowers ya nut:

    What about Flowers? Bogash, McTigue, Frank Moody, the draw with Rosenbloom...you'd have him above McTigue?
     
    McGrain, Mar 12, 2015
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  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    DAMN, I'm dumb!
    Flowers over McTigue, for sure, not even close, you don't get Mike fighting Greb after 1918/19 when after two ten rounders he was lucky if he had won a round!
     
    mattdonnellon, Mar 12, 2015
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  7. McGrain

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    Oh, I think it's definitely close - Flowers best wins at the weight are Bogash, Moody and McTigue himself.

    Have you seen a single source, ever, that has McTigue beating Flowers? I would love to see one.

    I think McTigue's core wins are definitely superior.
     
    McGrain, Mar 12, 2015
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've re-introduced Miske. Miske is a bit of a beast at the weight, won series with Dillon, won a series with Battling Levinsky. That wonderful 1919 draw with Gibbons. OK, he got shellacked versus Greb and Norfolk and eventually Gibbons, but he is underrated at this weight I reckon.
     
    McGrain, Mar 12, 2015
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Making way is McTigue, making MattD the only man to have got a man withdrawn, and a man introduced. It sure is spongy between 45 and 60 though.

    And i'm stunned by how weak the division is. I did not expect this at all.
     
    McGrain, Mar 12, 2015
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There needs to be a pinnacle tier for one man alone.
     
    Seamus, Mar 12, 2015
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  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    And that man is Bobby Czyz
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Here's what I ended up with:

    50 - Michael Moorer
    49 - Joe Knight
    48 - Anton Christoforidis
    47 - Henry Maske
    46 - Willie Pastrano
    45 - Mauro Mina
    44 - Billy Miske
    43 - Jeff Clarke
    42 - Jose Torres
    41 - Sergey Kovalev (I'm aware this is very high...we'll see)
    40 - Glen Johnson
    39 - Gus Lesnevich
    38 - Al Gainer
    37 - Bernard Hopkins
    36 - Mickey Walker
    35 - Chad Dawson
    34 - Jimmy Slattery
    33 - Joey Maxim
    32 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
    31 - Antonio Tarver
    30 - Virgil Hill
    29 - John Conteh
    28 - Battling Levinsky
    27 - Marvin Johnson
    26 - Dariusz Michalczewski
    25 - Tiger Jack Fox
    24 - Sam Langford
    23 - Young Stribling
    22 - Paul Berlenbach
    21 - Dwight Muhammad Qawi
    20 - Kid Norfolk
    19 - Jack Dillon
    18 - Victor Galindez
    17 - Lloyd Marshall
    16 - Billy Conn
    15 - Maxie Rosenbloom
    14 - Jack Delaney
    13 - Roy Jones Jnr.
    12 - Tommy Gibbons
    11 - Harold Johnson
    10 - Matthew Saad Muhammad
    09 - Jimmy Bivins
    08 - Bob Foster
    07 - John Henry Lewis
    06 - Tommy Loughran
    05 - Michael Spinks
    04 - Gene Tunney
    03 - Harry Greb
    02 - Archie Moore
    01 - Ezzard Charles
     
    McGrain, Jun 29, 2015
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  13. mcvey

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    I don't know that I would place Charles and Moore in a seperate tier to Conn, Greb, Loughran, Tunney, Spinks, and Foster. Nor place Conteh two tiers below Galindez.
    Is Tarver better than Muhammad, Marvin Johnson?
    No room for Fitzsimmons or Bettina? Is Chad Dawson better than Carpentier?
    Bob Olin lost a lot of fights but he also beat Gainer,Godwin ,and Rosenbloom.

    I don't want to be negative, it's an interesting idea and I hope to learn something from it
     
    mcvey, Jun 29, 2015
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  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    A good list of names. The ones I disagree with the most are in bold type, but I am willing to read input.

    PS: Joe Choynski and Kid McCoy belong.
     
    Mendoza, Jun 30, 2015
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  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I really wish Billy Conn had dedicated himself more to being lightheavyweight king...he would have cleaned out the division and stayed champ until'49 at least.
     
    red cobra, Jun 30, 2015
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