Top Five Greatest Fighters Ever

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    All factors included, pound for pound, record, legacy... all of it.

    Harry Greb
    Sam Langford
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Robert Fitzsimmons
    Joe Louis

    Who else can the argument be made for to fit into this utmost top echelon. Armstrong comes to mind but a relatively short prime hinders him just enough. Ali certainly has a case. Duran has a case in my mind but again comes up just short. I don't think the dust has settled enough on the fighter of the past 20 or 30 years to properly place them but I suspect none qualify to threaten anyone in this group.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would put Armstrong around 3 and Louis around 8-9 and Charles might edge Fitz for me as well...but no arguments from me...looks solid
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    maybe armstrong ahead of louis. i think i prefer ali to louis anyways.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I understand the objection to Louis but I think we tend to take him for granted. He wiped out the division completely and in rather emphatic fashion and kept it under his thumb for a record setting period. He was also the best punching heavyweight I have ever seen... in the sense that really matters, accuracy, combos and finishing skills. I'll stand by that pick.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I won't strongly disagree at all. I just think the simultaneous 3 weight champion thing is unreal.
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have always wondered about this...for me it easy I rate Louis higher as a HW and so I do P4P as well. I once saw a documentaqry that had louis 1 and Ali 2 @ Hw and then had Ali @ 9 and Louis @ 10 P4P using the same panal???

    Anyway, I assume you have Ali 1 and Louis 2 if so does louis close the gap any by having a slightly lower weight than Ali....or do you just lump all HW's into one realm regardless of their weight as in other divisions???

    Ali 23 y/o Liston 1 210
    Louis 24 y/o Schmeling I 198

    30 y/o Ali 1972 aprx 219
    30 y/o Louis 1944 204

    around 10-15 lbs difference does that factor in or no?
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    with these two it's relative because louis fought in a lighter division than ali if I recall correctly.

    but let's say haye and wlad beat the exact same 20 opponents, I'd give haye more p4p credit.

    that aside though having ali as hw #1 is p4p credit material anyways.

    good point though.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 16, 2012
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  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really was not criticizing your pick, just curious how you got there! Thanks
     
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  9. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe something like

    Robinson
    Armstrong
    Greb
    Duran
    Louis
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I can't have Louis ahead of Ali in this since I rate Ali higher than Louis at heavyweight and overall.

    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Hank Armstrong
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Sam Langford
    5. Ezzard Charles




    :smoke

    6. Muhammad Ali
     
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  11. WhyYouLittle

    WhyYouLittle Stand Still Full Member

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    I like Fitz in there. He's not being given enough credit lately. Maybe I'd knock Joe for Armstrong. And I just don't know what to do with Langford. He's definitely a P4P ATG, but in which position I still don't know.
     
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  12. albinored

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    ......willie pep should be in but i can't decide who to take out to get him in there,,,:patsch
     
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  13. TheSouthpaw

    TheSouthpaw Champion Full Member

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    1. Louis
    2. Ali
    3. Duran
    4. Berrera
    5.Frazier
     
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  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Probably Willie Pep. Not just for the # of wins and his dominance at Featherweight. Taking into account his comeback from an airplane crash and a broken back. Being able to even take on and even beat fighters like Sandy Saddler after an injury like that is phenomenal.

    Ali has a very strong case. The man fought everybody.
     
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  15. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    1. Robinson
    2. Armstrong
    3. Norris
    4. Louis
    5. Pudwill
     
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