Top Hardest P4P Punchers (IMO)

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As you say, hard to say. But I can quantify a couple of things to provide some perspective.

    Wilfredo Gomez knocked Derrik Holmes down eight times in five rounds. Looked like a quit job as Holmes went down a few times without being really hit.

    But Ring Magazine ran X-ray photos afterward of his jaw that was broken. Wilfredo hit him so hard that it literally broke his jaw into two pieces, including splitting a tooth down the middle in two pieces. Now 122 pounds or 160 or 222, bone is bone and a tooth is a tooth. To hit something with a punch and literally crack it straight down a line into two separate pieces is unfathomable to me.

    There’s also the thing with boxers who have broken the buckle on a speed bag. I believe Shavers and Foreman did it, but the lightest person I’ve ever heard of doing so was Pipino Cuevas — with a left hook of course. He did something only heavyweights had been known to do.
     
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  2. Kamikaze

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    “They call me the Hawk because all of them chickens are running from me”-Julian Jackson
     
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  3. Kamikaze

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    I think Wilde should rate over any LHW-HW freaky guy. I really think Burley needs some consideration as a man who started as a welter- he was quite small framed and managed to hurt very durable defensive fighters such as Ezzard, Archie ect the murders row guys- He allegedly stopped Elmer Ray in sparring. I think he at least deserves a mention as a P4P puncher. Ray Robinson has much better stoppages then any WW-MW in history (IMO) So with his level of comp and stoppages over durable men I’ve gotta give him the nod over The Hawk, Gman, Benn ect.

    Armando Castro was a monster of a puncher at his weight and routinely hurt Khaosai dropping the much larger very durable Thai for the first time I think in his career? And for his troubles he was robbed outright even though he outworked Galaxy and chased him out of the ring nearly every round.

    If we go by the words of the era The Hachet man takes the cake for the smaller HWs like Dempsey, Satterfield ect. He had no skills but every single time he connected right he dropped iron chinned fighters like Moore and Maxim.

    Sung Kil Moon is just about the hardest puncher ever at his best weight. But his work doesn’t reflect it IMO and so I don’t think he can make the cut relative to a lot of the guys mentioned for instance not being able to hurt Galaxy isn’t a black mark for power but it is for the top shelf.

    Fitz is 100% in the top ten. He was a phenomenal puncher for his era and the times but I think Langford could just about outrank him with the gulf in comp being very apparent IMO.
     
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  4. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    I see
     
  5. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Noted
     
  6. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    So probably the list should be like this?
    1. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Julian Jackson
    3. Sam langford
    4. Earnie Shavers
    5. Jimmy Wilde
    6. Bob Satterfield
    7. Thomas Hearns
    8. Jack Dempsey
    9. Sandy Saddler
    10. Ruben Oliveras

    Honorable Mentions:
    -George Foreman
    -Wilfedo Gomez
    -Khaosai Galaxy
    -Carlos Zarate
    -Cleveland Williams
    -Edwin Rosario
    -Prince Naseem Hamed
    -Gerald McClellan
    -Sugar Ray Robinson
     
  7. SwarmingSlugger

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    In no particular order:

    Fitzsimmons, Julian Jackson, Foreman, Tyson, Hearns, Gomez, Duran, Dempsey, Marciano, Shavers.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Where did Bob Foster go?
     
  9. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Relax man, I'm trying my best to make a perfect list. Sorry that I forgot about Foster though... probably another honorable mentions for me
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Trust me i wasn't stressing. He's top 10 for me.
     
  11. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your list I cant argue with its a good list however I never understood how in P4P rankings of power do legitimate heavyweights make the list the ring is supposed to have the critical historians and thinkers and yet this seems to slip by every time......unless is is a undersized heavyweight KO'ng large quality heavyweights but IMO Dempsey, Louis and Shavers were not undersized heavies for their eras. It seems Archie Moore could make the list seeing as he started as a middleweight and carried KO power up to heavy but he wasn't really a spark out puncher. Rocky Marciano was a small heavy but he wasn't that undersized for his era and his fights were with larger and smaller fighters

    Arguello carried his power up, Duran carried his power up, RJJ carried his power up, Hearns carried his power up
     
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  12. Kamikaze

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    Who did Galaxy and Gerald stop?
    Robinson stopped much better guys then nearly everyone in the ten you have...
    Foster ain’t close to sniffing P4P puncher status.
     
  13. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    I literally made a thread questioning McClellan's power and all the bums he stopped, I didn't really get that much good replies tbh. I just put McClellan becuz how highly people view him, but I don't know much about Galaxy though.. He seems to be natural puncher
     
  14. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    -Jose Luis Ramirez said Ruben Oliveras hit him the hardest. Edwin Rosario and Julio Cesar Chavez as an honorable mention (fought Arguello)
    -No one said Roy hit the hardest, he wasn't a hard puncher, but precise and accurate one. He punches always right on the button. Toney, Griffin, Ruiz, Hopkins, Pazienza, Calzaghe, Trinidad, Reggie Johnson, Malinga, Castro, etc none of them said he hit the hardest nor punches hard.
    -I can put Duran in consideration.
    -Moorer's also like Roy. Accurate, precise and skilled but not actually the hardest. He rely a lot on accumulation and counters rather than power. Nevertheless, man could crack.
     
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  15. Young Terror

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    McClellan knocked out better fighters than Merqui Sosa who you think was a murderous puncher.