Top Heavyweights of All Time

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    1 Ali
    2 Louis
    3 Lewis/Foreman

    5 Marciano/Holmes

    7 Liston
    8 Tyson
    9 Frazier
    10 Patterson



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    cuchulain, Dec 9, 2009
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  2. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't you know you are allowed double standards when your favourite fighter is included?

    Lennox Lewis was never outpointed by a chinny light heavyweight either. But that's OK for Holy.
    Lewis, even when old, was never KO'd by a fat middleweight, but again, that's OK.

    Lewis never went 10 years without winning by KO, and then ending the streak against the talented Jeremy Bates, but again, that's fine. Because he lost to Ham'n'eggers. (The definition of which I believe is 2 time WBC Heavyweight champion, or 1 time champ, top level fighter never KD who was still a mandatory challenger into his 40's).

    Lewis never rubbed ointment into his opponents eyes, quit on his stool against a guy barely into his 20's, nor took a dive/KO'd by that same youngster in 1.

    But again, doesn't matter. Lewis beat Holyfield, so therefore he's ****.

    See how that works?

    Holy lost to the guy (2-1, and the 1 was due to Bowe being fat and fan man) who dumped his belt rather than fight Lewis, and fought chumps instead. So again, that makes Holy great and Lewis ****.
     
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  3. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    4. Lennox beat much better fighters.:yep
     
    Mind Reader, Dec 9, 2009
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  4. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Wlad is willing to face any opposition (except Vitali). He can't be held liable for who is out there.

    And who are these great fighters that Lennox beat, Holyfield, Briggs and Rahman? Maybe Michael Grant?

    I think their opposition has been pretty equal.
     
    Slacker, Dec 9, 2009
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  5. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yey he can:yepEspecially since he was kod by Purrity,Brewster,Sanders and escaped from a couple knockdowns against Peter,I cant get that out of mind,until he faces top notch opposition.
    Too me Vitali should be rated higher. Hes never been kod,only a Tko and that was on cuts in a hotly contested fight with Lewis.
    I almost forgot about Chris Byrd but in my opinion Wlad has shown to be more vulnerable.
     
    anarci, Dec 9, 2009
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  6. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    What I am saying is, he can only fight who is out there, and he is fighting everyone worth a damn now...or at least trying to.

    Hell, he was even going to fight the undeserving Haye just to prove a point.

    Of the two brothers I think of them like this... Vitali is definiately bigger, stronger and has a better chin. Wlad has a more natural style, better technique and is more athletic.

    If they were to square off, I think Vitali would KO him or Wlad would win on points if he could stick and move for 12 rounds.
     
    Slacker, Dec 9, 2009
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  7. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I know Wlad would fight anybody but I think Lennox Lewis is clearly the greater fighter. Not even a question to me.
     
    Mind Reader, Dec 9, 2009
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  8. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    No-one has, have they??? Jesus that would be scary!!!
     
    dublynflya, Dec 10, 2009
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  9. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Why do you think so? Obviously lots of folks think he is an ATG. I'm curious as to why.

    Other HW Champs (including Wlad) have defended the belt more, have better records and fought equal or better opposition.

    What is it about Lennox that makes him stand out historically against someone like Foreman or Wlad?
     
    Slacker, Dec 10, 2009
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  10. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not a horrible list. The correct names just maybe a few too high and too low. I might get Patterson out of there and put Liston in. I would sub Wlad with Lewis but then after Wlad retires and he has no disasters he may surpass Lennox
     
    KO KIDD, Dec 10, 2009
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  11. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Johnson
    4. Marciano
    5. Holmes
    6. Foreman
    7. Lewis
    8. Dempsey
    9. Frazier
    10. Liston
    11. Charles
    12. Holyfield
    13. Jeffries
    14. Tyson
    15. Walcott
    16. Sharkey
    17. Wills
    18. Norton
    19. Langford
    20. Patterson
    21. Bowe
    22. Tunney
    23. Schmeling
    24. Sullivan
    25. Baer

    I'm happy with the top 10, the rest needs to be sorted out a bit though.
     
    kosaros, Dec 10, 2009
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  12. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad doesn't have more title defences than Lewis, don't count the WBO which was definitely a second tier belt when Wlad had it the first time around.

    Wlad has more losses than Lewis. Against poorer opposition too.

    Wlad's competition pales against that of Lewis.

    Wlad has never been undisputed champion.

    Wlad has a bit of a disadvantage now, in that most of his opponents aren't near his level. Not his fault, but honestly, the standard (with the exception of the 2 brothers) is decidedly average at the moment. You only have to watch replays of fights from 15 years ago to see the decrease in abilities of top level fighters.



    Foreman? Tougher to argue. I'd rate them both (Lewis and Foreman) about the same to be honest. Both have massive strengths, could beat any fighter ever born on a given night, but have some flaws.
     
    thesandman, Dec 10, 2009
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  13. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They must have forgotten all about the A Force.

    How they can forget him, I'll never understand.
     
    Heavyrighthand, Dec 10, 2009
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  14. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats a top argument!
     
    The Clan, Dec 11, 2009
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  15. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    I remember Freddy Roach put out his top ten..he had james toney in there..lol.
     
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