Top Ten Head 2 Head HW list

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  1. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Solid list, but Foreman doesn't belong there.

    He could always, throughout both his careers, be outboxed. Even someone with a pretty basic set of skills in Schulz could nearly beat him. And some think he did.

    You can't slug it out with Foreman... But really... You might as well put Earnie Shavers there instead of Foreman. Besides the chin George had in his second career, there's not much seperating the two.

    Bowe does belong there.

    I'd replace Holyfield with Lennox Lewis, personally. Serious power, size, skill, a solid chin, great reach...

    Can't really fault anyone else on that list, though.
     
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  3. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Personally I think Foreman definitely belongs high on this list (as it focuses on head 2 head), yes he wasn't the slickest of boxers, well he was pretty crude really but with his unmatched raw power he'd knock most people out regardless of their superior skills.

    The reason Lewis just misses out is his chin, while I definitley wouldn't say he had a glass jaw it certainly wasn't solid.

    But nevertheless, Russell I respect your opinions.
     
    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  4. McGrain

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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    You're fighting a losing battle there bro!

    And to be fair, in the highest company Lewis does have a weaker chin than most of the fighters he's listed alongside.
     
    McGrain, Aug 14, 2007
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    I can't respect any list not containing Super Greg
     
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  7. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    I take your points on board McGrain, what would your top ten look like?
     
    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Something like this:

    1 - Ali
    2 - Louis
    3 - Liston
    4 - Johnson
    5 - Lewis
    6 - Jeffries
    7 - Frazier
    8 - Hollyfield
    9 - Tyson
    10- Holmes
     
    McGrain, Aug 14, 2007
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  9. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    The fighters chin needs to be substantially stronger than "a bit above average" to make this list my friend. The chin of Lewis would be seriously tested by most people on this list.
     
    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  10. Sonny's jab

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    Jack Johnson gets rated too high head-to-head here.
    The best footage of him shows him toying with short and somewhat crude 170 pounders. His chin is surely at least as suspect as Lennox Lewis's.
     
    Sonny's jab, Aug 14, 2007
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think that Johnson's chin is about as steady as Lewis', yeah, though I don't like the word "suspect".

    Johnson is high on my list for the following reasons.

    You can't spar for him. He is to smart for you to get a proper feel so he needs to be solved "in the ring".

    Though I see Ali dismantling him I pick him to beat Louis. Louis is my #2, that's a big scalp.

    Johnson beat one of the first really big men in Jeffries. It's possible Jim, well past it didn't win a round, but i'm happy to pick Johnson over peak Jeffries, too.

    Johnson lost to the next genuine giant, Willard, but dominated him for about 15 rounds and would have got him were he few years younger/less rusty.

    He is terribley awkward.

    Intangibles favour him - along with Ali he is a "find a way" type of fighter. Bullets might have bounced of him at peak.

    He was brave, feared no-one.
     
    McGrain, Aug 14, 2007
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  12. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Here's mine (my ATG rankings in brackets) ...

    1. Larry Holmes [3]
    2. Muhammad Ali [2]
    3. Sonny Liston [9]
    4. Lennox Lewis [5]
    5. Joe Louis [1]
    6. Mike Tyson [7]
    7. Joe Frazier [6]
    8. Evander Holyfield [8]
    9. George Foreman [12]
    10. Jack Johnson [11]
     
    Holmes' Jab, Aug 14, 2007
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  13. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    I think you have a great list there. The only one I would strongly disagree with would be Lewis's High placing (I have him at 11). But it's an excellent list.
     
    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  14. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Again, an excellent list. I just disagree with Lewis's placing. Although I understand I'm in the minority with this view.
     
    Sweet Science, Aug 14, 2007
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So you think most of these guys would beat Lewis?
     
    McGrain, Aug 14, 2007
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