Top ten Heavyweight champs based upon dominance of era

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So this is based ONLY upon how dominant a champion is over his field, and when i say champion, i mean lineal - keep your belt holders. Also, the quality of the field isn't important in this instance.

    This is pretty much arguable in the extreme so let me know.


    01 - Rocky Marciano
    02 - Joe Louis
    03 - Jim Jeffries
    04 - John Sullivan
    05 - Mike Tyson
    06 - Wladimir Klitschko
    07 - Muhammad Ali
    08 - Larry Holmes
    09 - Joe Frazier
    10 - Lennox Lewis

    Quite mad, looking at that.
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    Should Jack Johnson be in there somewhere or perhaps just outside of it?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Johnson never really met any top contenders when he was champion.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I misunderstood the criteria.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston should be there, no?
    Mayb Jeffries higher?
    Or Bowe for a short time-does longevity matter?
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    Well your caveat of lineal makes it a bit tricky. Especially regards Wlad and Vitali.

    You could argue Vitali was lineal right up until Wlad v Povetkin and you could argue Wlad has been lineal right since Wlad v Chagaev.

    They're the only issues actually but if you are being strict on reign it makes a huge difference.

    Louis
    Wlad
    Sullivan
    Marciano
    Jeffries
    Tyson
    Lewis
    Holmes
    Ali
    Frazier

    Although if we regard Wlad as only lineal from Povetkin I would remove him and place him at the bottom of the list.
     
  7. janitor

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    1. Sullivan
    2. Louis
    3. Wlad
    4. Marciano
    5. Jeffries

    After that you are getting into serious omissions, or very short periods of dominance.
    After that you are getting into serious omissions, or very short period's of dominance.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dominant over his generation without meeting Jackson?

    Which is also true of...

    VERY good point.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    just highlights the weak heavyweight era we have today.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    I might be a bit out there but I don't think Sullivan and Jackson overly overlapped from what I recall.

    Isn't it a bit like Holmes/Tyson in that the eras seemed to follow each other rather than Co exist?
     
  11. janitor

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    I am giving the candidates a bit of a pass, if there was minimal overlap between them and the person they should have fought.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Naw, there's not that much in it.

    They could have put on a legitimate superfight, the two of them.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    I don't understand how you can have anyone above Louis tbh.
     
  14. Pugilist_Spec

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    1. Wladimir Klitschko - 18 title defenses, and by my estimation only 3 opponents have won 3 rounds --- and no more. Never tasted the canvas either.

    2. Mike Tyson - Even more dominant than Wladimir, but had a significantly shorter reign.

    3. Joe Louis - 25 title defenses, an all-time record, but he wasn't dominant on a number of occassions, such as the Godoy, Conn and Walcott fights.

    4. Larry Holmes - 19 title defenses, but he had very iffy decisions in 2 of them, regardless if he was prime or not.

    5. Muhammad Ali (64-67) - 9 title defenses and nobody came close to beating him.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    The way I see it Sullivan's prime ended 86 and Jackson's prime began in 86.