Top Ten Heavyweight Tournament.

Because I'm not interested in debating points that are totally moot.

You began a thread to list 10 men based on achievement and then to match them h2h. That's exactly what I've done. I'm not ****d about debating placings on lists using differing criteria. I already know everything you have posted, you already know everything I have posted. These careers are set in stone and forever cemented in history.

You wanted an ultimate winner, my winner was Ali.

Edit: I've now replied to your other points, as pointless as it is because it relates not to anything I've posted so far.

 

Agree with everything apart from Holy being robbed against Lewis in the second fight.

 

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Lewis
Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Marciano
Tyson

Ali vs Louis. Ali
Holmes vs Foreman. Holmes
Lewis vs Johnson. Johnson
Dempsey vs Tunney. Dempsey
Marciano vs Tyson. Tyson

Ali vs Holmes. Ali
Johnson vs Dempsey. Johnson

Ali vs Tyson. Ali

Ali vs Johnson. Ali

 

I didn't rate him above. I said I thought he achieved more.

 

Best thread ive read in along time..thankyou..

 

Based strictly on achievements.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Mike Tyson
7. Evander Holyfield
8. George Foreman

Fight 1: Muhammad Ali vs Joe Louis;

Ali UD. Quick hands and feet on top of otherworldy reflexes and workrate wins Ali a decision. Louis had trouble with movers throughout his career and could be outboxed, and he'd be facing his best opponent in Ali.

Fight 2: Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis;

Larry UD. He would beat Lewis to the jab, outland him, and when push comes to shove, he could eat up everything Lewis has to give and come back throwing.

Fight 3: Wladimir Klitschko vs Mike Tyson;

Tyson KO. Tysons head and upper body movement would negate Klitschkos jab and his abnormal hand speed and power would allow him to eventually close the distance and put Klitschko down and out.

Fight 4: Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman;

Holyfield TKO. Holyfield would carefully box him, beat him to the punch, and work the body, surviving shaky early moments and knockdowns until George inevitably fades and gets stopped in the late rounds.

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Fight 1: Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes;

Holmes UD. Holmes has a better, quicker and more fluid jab, something Ali struggled with throughout his career. He is also physically stronger, more powerful and equally ring savvy. In a trilogy, Ali may prevail but Holmes wins the first fight.

Fight 2: Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson;

96 version of Evander beats any Mike. He can fight him on the outside with his jab and counter him while coming in. On the inside he can physically manhandle Mike into submission, as their actual fight showed. Tyson would be more competitive but still loses.

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Final fight: Larry Holmes vs Evander Holyfield;

Larry UD. Larry beats Evander on the outside with his lightning quick jab and movement, and on the inside he is formidable against Holyfield with his right hand/uppercut and combinations.

 

How did you score it?

 

Holmes DID NOT have a "better, quicker or more fluid jab". Absolutely just the opposite. Holmes had the harder jab but that's it. In a battle of jabs prime Ali dominates Holmes. Ali's superior movement would allow him to constantly hit Holmes with his jab at angles while at the same time avoiding Holmes jab. Ali wins a clear decision.

 

Holmes was great in his own way no doubt. However he did not have the classic boxing skills, speed, nor the athleticism of Ali