Top Ten Heavyweights Ever

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  1. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Johnson beat:
    Denver Ed Martin
    Sam McVey
    Joe Jeaneete
    Sam Langford
    Bob Firtsimmons
    Fireman Jim Flynn (who knocked out Dempsey in one round)
    Tommy Burns
    Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
    Stanley Ketchel
    Jim Jeffries
    Frank Moran

    Yeah, 2 of them were past it, 2 were pretty young and 3 were quite a bit smaller. But that´s a hell of a resume that only very few hws can surpass. Having Johnson not in the top10 makes any hw list ridiculous.

    I don´t do any lists but rate them by a tier system. My take on it:

    Tier 1: Louis, Marciano, Ali
    Tier 2: Jeffries, Johnson, Holmes, Lewis
    Tier 3: Wills, Liston, Frazier, Foreman
     
    Loewe, Aug 29, 2008
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  2. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In chronological order...

    Johnson
    Dempsey
    Louis
    Marciano
    Ali
    Frazier
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Holyfield
    Lewis
     
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  3. Strike

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    And he got KOd by nobodies. Having a guy in your top 10 based off old news cuttings and about 10 minutes in total of footage is ridiculous. Of the names you list how many have you watched fight and for how many seconds of jerking, grainy footage? Having Jeffries in tier 2 is insane. The footage available is awful, it is impossible to see how skillful, fast or well schooled the fighters were.

    And it in turn makes judging their comp near impossible. What you can do is look at Jacksons record and see that he got KOd by guys with distinctly average records even for their era and the available footage does nothing to dispel the idea that the majority of fighters were pretty crude and wide open. **** even the writers from the time who laud him say one of his genius tricks was catching hold of the other mans leading punch rather than trying to slip it.

    Can you imagine someone trying to catch a Holmes jab?:lol:
     
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  4. brown_bomber

    brown_bomber BROWN BOMBER Full Member

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    HOMER would of came back in there fight and knocked his ass out if it wasn't for moe :twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
     
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  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Good list :good

    Here is mine....

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Mike Tyson
    4. Sonny Liston
    5. George Foreman
    6. Joe Frazier
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. Rocky Marciano
    9. Lennox Lewis
    10. Jersey Joe Walcott
     
    Bill Butcher, Aug 29, 2008
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  6. Loewe

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    Well, I saw about as many gootage of Jeffries and Johnson that was available, not much but at least something. You don´t need to watch fighters to rate them actually. I don´t count in any h2h when I rate them because it´s too much speculation. What counts are things like resume, achievement, longvity and so on. And to acknowledge that you don´t need films.

    btw. what nobody knocked out Johnson out during his prime years 1907-1912? Can´t remember anyone.
     
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  7. Seven Chance

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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Ezzard Charles
    4. Mike Tyson
    5. Rocky Marciano
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. George Foreman
    8. Lennox Lewis
    9. Jack Johnson
    10. Sonny Liston
     
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  8. r_9-Ronaldo

    r_9-Ronaldo Shinny Shadez Full Member

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    dont this belong in the classic section?
     
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  9. McGrain

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    To be clear, you think it is INVALID to have Greb on a pound for pound all time list? There is zero footage of him, but his paper resume is absolutley extraordinary. Paper resume betrays how any given fighter compared to his contempories, the research that goes into the individual fights betrays the circumstances those wins were made in, the testimony of ringsiders gives a perspective on the fighter's style.

    If a person wants to attempt to compare era's with the tools available, I don't see why that should be a problem.

    Consider "catching" and "parrying" to be the same thing.

    Can I imagine Johnson parrying Holmes' jab? Consistantly? Yes.
     
    McGrain, Aug 29, 2008
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  10. natedog

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    Louis
    Holyfield
    Ali
    Tyson
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Lewis
    Frazier
    Dempsey
    Liston
     
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  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Holmes
    4. Liston
    5. Foreman
    6. Marciano
    7. Lewis
    8. Frazier
    9. Johnson
    10. Tyson
     
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  12. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup.
    Lennox is the most skilled big man ever, great power, and a brilliant tactician. He wins most head to heads, so he's the g.o.a.t.
     
    Jennifer Love Hewitt, Aug 29, 2008
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  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I think Lennox is distinctly over-rated when it comes to head to head matchups. Muhammad Ali beats him with his speed and movement, whereas Tyson and Foreman both overwhelm him with power. Lewis is not justified at #1.
     
    Addie, Aug 29, 2008
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  14. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    impossible for me to say with being 32 years old. i could say dempsey, tunney, louis to try and look clever but the truth is your going off what others say.
     
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  15. Brian123

    Brian123 ESB WORLD CHAMPION Full Member

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    A list without James Jeffries should be ignored.
     
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