Top thirty middles between 1885 and 1925?

His fellow Milwaukee mate Gus Christie may have a bigger claim

 

Dave Shade didn't become a middleweight until late 1925 or early 1926. During his prime years from 1921 to 1925, he fought as a welterweight.

I would not rank Tiger Flowers as an All-Time Great as a middleweight. He was a top fighter for only about three or four years and made his reputation in his three fairly close bouts with Harry Greb, who definitely was past his peak at the time.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Jim Hall. Owns a win over Fitzsimmons, and some other names. Good enough for the top men

 

No you haven't and being that Langford is supposed to have had the cuffs on with Ketchel I don't know how they can be separated?

 

Mc, whether the Sam Langford vs Stanley Ketchel fight was on the level can never be known, BUT one fact is clear but forgotten today on ESB is Sam Langford outweighed Stanley Ketchel by
about TWELVE pounds in that bout. Langford was a true lightheavy for that bout whilst Ketchel was below 160 pounds.
Lest we forget. One other thing. It has been said often that Ketchel by then was an opium addict and dissipated so badly that he was forced to try to recuperate at the ****inson Ranch in Conway, Miss. where he was shot and killed 4 months later in 1910...

 

Ketchel also had syphilis at that time, he had seriously gone back.
I'd forgotten the weight disparity, you are right and so is McGrain.

 

There is some doubt about the bona fides of the Hall victory.

 

Frank Mantell,Augie Ratner,Panama Joe Gans?
BTW Good List.

 

Tommy Ryan. Here's a photo I have of him.

http://postimg.org/image/u29769zw1/

Also, here's a picture of Jimmy Clabby I have. Just thought I'd share.

http://postimg.org/image/657xm1s7r/

 

Kid Carter, Dan Creedon, Choynski, George Godfrey, Hugo Kelly, Mike Schreck, Young Peter Jackson...a few names to conjure with.