Top Twenty P4P Head-to-Head all time blah blah blah

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    His best performances are all 175lbs; I think he'd clean those ATG clocks based upon what I watched. I can't see Charles at 175lbs, really, but I've loads of footage at 175lbs and he looks amazing. I think he'd do wild damage at CW too, yeah.

    I can't see any of that.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    #20. Alexis Arguello
    #19. Tommy Hearns
    #18. Michael Spinks
    #17. Fighting Harada
    #16. Carlos Ortiz
    #15. Manny Pacquiao
    #14. Marvin Hagler
    #13. Muhammad Ali
    #12. Wilfredo Gomez
    #11. Henry Armstrong
    #10. Joe Louis
    #09. Roy Jones Jr.
    #08. Pernell Whitaker
    #07. Floyd Mayweather
    #06. Archie Moore
    #05. Jose Napoles
    #04. Ray Leonard
    #03. Ezzard Charles
    #02. Ray Robinson
    #01. Roberto Duran
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's definitely a head**** all this.
     
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    Who weighs 260 to 270 plus and is more than halfway to 7 foot tall and oh so obviously behind Usyk P4P at heavyweight no matter how their fight goes :lol:
     
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    Well i bet that gave him you A grade headache.

    Loving Leonard at #3 and Jones nice and high. Spinks too. He was a special kind of freak at his best. Personally i'd bracket Hopkins pretty similar to Hagler and Monzon.

    How much did Pedroza miss out by for a mention on your extra's. I think he and Sanchez would be similar as Sanchez might well be tested by elite level counter punchers and possibly speedsters. Pedroza seemed very versatile.

    Not enough footage of Hank?

    The biggest thing for me is i can't understand your reasoning for not taking Charles at 175 and rating him accordingly. You said you've got loads of footage at 175 and that he looks amazing.

    Great list tho and something for us all to argue about in coming days!
     
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    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    Surprised no one mentioned Willie Pep yet. If I was to do a similar list he’d make top 15ish for me.
     
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    I'm thinking it might be lack of film, or should i say wins on film ala Jofre? There's a bit of him and Saddler on film which may not help.
     
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    Zero knockouts, isn't it? But I was thinking about that last night - he's probably still made an impression good enough to be included without some proper KOs, even if it isn't the "real" impression. But i'm sneaky and there's actually 19 on the list tee heeee hahahaha so i can bring one guy on board with no losses.

    Pedroza didn't really enter my thinking.
     
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    Tbf, most adults are more than half way to 7 foot.
     
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    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is about p4p h2h, meaning we are judging just based on peak form, not based on achievements.
    Ali didn't beat a single ATG (that was at his best) in his prime.
    And he had many gifts/undeserved wins in the second part of his career.
     
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    Yeah Hanks a bit of a machine!

    Is Sal that much better than Pedroza via all we have?
     
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    I can see teaching in your future young George.
     
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    You are certifiable.
     
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    Can you contradict what I said ?
     
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