Top10 LHWs

so you have gene tunney at # 1 despite losing to a teenager version of tommy loughran according to most newspaper reports, and ducking out of a rematch with loughran? how about all of the top punchers at 175lb of his era, tunney fought none of them! he avoided all the big punchers at 175 like stribling slatter berlenbach etc. also at 175lb he twice lost to a middleweight he outweighed by 10lb!!! h2h rate tunney where ud like, but his accomplishments are not impressive compared to the others

 

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1) Michael Spinks
2) Archie Moore
3) Bob Foster
4) Billy Conn
5) Tommy Loughran
6) Maxie Rosenbloom
7) John Henry Lewis
8) Matthew Saad Muhammad
9) Victor Galindez
10) Roy Jones Jr.

Honorable mention: Paul Berlenbach, Jimmy Bivins, Jack Delaney, Sam Langford, Yaqui Lopez, Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Kid Norfolk, Jimmy Slattery, Young Stribling

 

People will not be happy!

 

We have gone over this before. Tunney floored Loughran and got the news decsion in Loughran's home town, and the Philly press.

While a re-match would have been nice, don't try to re-write history. IN the books, Tunney owns a " W " over Lourghan, who though young had already mixed it with a world class Greb.

As an FYI, Willis did not want to fight Tunney. Tunney's ring record is amazing, and he was only down once by Dempsey's best combiantion on flim. If your trying to quesiton Tunney's chin by suggesting Stribling, Slatter or Berienbajh could stop him, its a real reach, SuzieQ.

 

wrong! heres a great news read by Senya


LOUGHRAN WINS BY RALLY AFTER BEING FLOORED BY TUNNEY
Tommy Outboxes Gene in Sensational Bout After Weathering a Stormy First Round. Local Boy's Great Finish in 7th and 8th Sessions Thrills 22,000 Fans
By PERRY LEWIS

RISING from the ashes of defeat, groggy and spent, Tommy Loughran, middleweight pride of Philadelphia, fought his way to a hair-line decision over Gene Tunney, former light heavyweight champion of America, in eight vicious rounds at the Phillies' tall park last night.
Early in the first round Loughran stepped into a vicious right lead as he was coming in. Tunney's big fist landed flush on the point of the Loughran jaw, and down went the local youth as though tagged with an axe. The fallen gladiator was hovering on the verge of unconciousness, groggy and looking out upon a sea of 22,000 faces with glazed eyes, but, nevertheless, he assayed to arise without taking a count.
Had Loughran succeeded in standing erect, he would undoubtedly have been knocked out then and there. His knees, however, were just clear of the floor when he heard the frenzied cries of his seconds to stay down for the count. Tommy heeded, and after taking the full count, arose to achieve ultimate victory, the most notable triumph of his dazzling career.

Landed Cleaner Blows
For Loughran won: not by a wide margin, for the fight was as close as the newspaper persons parked to Bay nothing of packed, around the ringside. He won because he landed the cleaner and sharper blows. He won because of his amazing rally in the seventh and eighth rounds. He won by virtue of his superior ringcraft and masterly defense. To those far removed from the ringside it must have seemed that Tunney was handing Loughran a lacing. He did punch Tommy hard a number of times, but many blows which, from a distance appeared to reach the target, were either blocked, were short or they simply brushed the Philadelphian without doing any real harm.
Loughran entered the ring weighing 163 pounds, and Tunney was just ten pounds heavier and looked it. And Gene did not fail to take every advantage of this added poundage. He was on top of the Philadelphian all of the time, lying on him and wearing him down. Nevertheless, Loughran seldom failed to completely tie the New Yorker up at close quarters, and at the end of the bout his exhaustion was due more to the mauling Tunney gave him than to the gloves he had stopped.

Loughran Lands Cleaner Punches
Although Loughran landed often and hard on his opponent, pecking away at Tunney's mouth with that rapier-like left jab and finding a target for many rights, the former champion was at no time in danger. The Philadelphian has not yet developed enough of a punch to do more than annoy such a boxer as Tunney, but be did land many more cleaner and sharper blow's than his adversary.
On the other hand, Loughran was always in danger. Tunney is a hard hitter, sufficiently hard to knock a Loughran out of the ball park could he have landed. That one murderous punch in the first round right to the button is a case in point. It was per-best blow Tunney landed. It was perfectly timed and delivered with the force of a pile driver, nnd Loughran could not have taken another one like it at any time during the action.
To the end Gene tried manfully to get that right to the jaw again, and although he realized early that Loughran could not hurt him seriously, he could not make the grade, all of which is very eloquent testimony of the soundness of the Philadelphian's defense.

Tunney's Mouth Damaged
Longhran's left jab was working in all its pristine glory, which is recording a pageful. Early in the bout the local left drew blood from the big boy's mouth, and to the end the damaged featured dripped gore. Every time Tunney's seconds succeeded in cleaning up their warrior's face, Loughran was waiting out there with a few more left jabs to mess things up again.
As the scrivener recorded the thing, Tunney carried the first and the sixth rounds. The third and the fifth were even. Loughran had a mere shade the best of the second and fourth and thus they went into the seventh all even. It was the local lad's dazzling rally in those last two rounds which entitled him to a hair-line decision.
Where Loughran found the strength and stamina to finish as he did is a mystery. It was the hardest fight he ever had. He had been knocked flat in the first round. For six rounds he had been waging a grueling battle against a man ten pounds heavier than he, and a man who knew best how to use those ten pounds. And yet, Loughran had enough left to go out in the last two rounds and edge under the wire a winner.

The Boxer Won
It was simply a case of a little man and a master boxer, but lacking in a dangerous punch, in there against a big man with a wallop but of far less boxing skill. The little man avoided a punch which would have been certain to ruin him and meantime scored enough himself to win.
He outboxed his big rival.
Probably in a longer bout Loughran would be beaten down and knocked out by Tunney. But last night the boys were boxing eight rounds.
The biggest crowd of the outdoor season jammed its way into the ball park to see Loughran and Tunney maul each other, and for a few minutes it seemed certain that all hands would be disappointed. The weather was so threatening that the promoters elected to put on the windup before the Chaney-France melee, and then, when a few drops fell as Brown and Pal Moran were mingling, they shortened that brawl to six rounds and they went ahead with the heavy stuff.

Wills was 37 years old, and # 1 heavyweight contender for 7 straight years.....he didnt need to fight tunney. he had earned himself a direct shot at dempsey.


Tunney COMPLETLEY avoided and ducked george godfrey like the plague. He wouldn't go anywhere near godfrey, who was a young POWERFUL BIG fighter(the kind tunney never fought in his career)

SO is marcianos?

fact is when u take a deeper look at tunneys record, you will see its filled with alot of guys who were small/older/light punching. Its clear tunney had very protective management who chose his matches wisely for him.

I disagree. that was not dempseys best combo on film, that was an old tired rusted dempsey putting tunney down for 14 seconds, dempsey didnt have the reflexes or legs anymore to finish him off.

Fact remains these and a few others were the best punchers at 175lb of his era, and tunney FOUGHT NO PUNCHERS at 175lb. part of the reason he was only down once in his career was he simply never fought any punchers outside of dempsey(who floored him)....tunneys chin was never tested. He mostly fought much smaller light punching fighters who had no threat to hurt him.

 

Tunney won the newspaper decision according to the New York Times. Loughran was knocked down in the 1st round by a right hand for a no-count.

I also posted another source that says Tunney won. Box rec, who scores by news reads also says Tunney won more. Finding a different version in a ND fight can be done. In the end Tunney has more W's.

Maybe so, but Godfrey lost to many fighters who were lesser than Tunney. Tunney beat Risko who beat Godfrey. If you think Godfrey had the cuffs on OK, riddle me this. How many of Godfrey's win were fixes? You can't have it both ways when you talk about fixes.

This is s a light heavyweight thread. Rocky doesn't belong, but since you brought it up, no way Rocky fights 80+ times and only losses once. Rocky lost news decsions to LaStarza and journeyman Lowry. I've got the news read to prove it, and gasp, Lowry stuns Rocky. In fact, Rocky was down by litter hitter than Tunney was. Do you question Marcianos chin in the same way? Let us be fair and balanced here.

It wasn't? What was then? List the fight and the round please where Demspey throws a bette combinaiton. I've seen all there is to see on Dempsey, and it was his best combo on film. Nothing was wrong with Dempsey's hand speed and power vs Tunney. In fact Dempsey had his power long after he retired.

 

I always thought Tunney won, but since i came to ESB i have realised that there are accounts favouring Loughran

 

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