top20 p4p according to a panel of 28 boxing writers

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  1. Boxed Ears

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  2. Mr. HU

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  3. NeckBreaknAiken

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    Marquez is worth arguing.


    Pavlik? C'mon. Who has Pavlik beaten since Jermaine Taylor?
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    I'd have Marquez (if he goes back to 135) and Mosley over Williams for sure. Dawson and Hopkins too. Probably Ward and Donaire too. Williams can find his place in the lower top10.

    I think Bute is pretty close to being top10 p4p (say what you wanna say about him but you can make a case he is just as good as Ward and he redeemed himself for the Andrade fight which he won anyways). So are JuanMa, Abraham, Bradley, Vitali, Chris John, Cotto, Wlad and Gamboa. I guess Martinez and Kessler can be with that bunch too.

    Its very subjective of course. Sometimes its hard to see who is better than who because the best fights don't always get made. You gotta go with your gut a little bit.

    I'll post my top20 later
     
  5. Davew430

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    How can Cotto be above Vitali Klitschko?
     
  6. NeckBreaknAiken

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    hop? All he did in the past couple of years is beat a smaller Pav, and lose to Calz.

    Ward is nice, but in a P4P kinda way?
     
  7. NeckBreaknAiken

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    The best thing to do is find out the criteria for the votes.

    Are we going on career accomplishments or recent accomplishments?

    Are we talking how good a fighter is believed to be, or what they have actually done in the ring? And do they have to dominate their division or be able to move up and be competitive?

    Before some of you get bent out of shape about the choices, think about criteria first, and you will see that some of your "no brainers" are actually pretty questionable.
     
  8. P4PNo.1

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    Suprised David Haye isn't on the list.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    I always do all my p4p rankings based on how good I believe the fighters are.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    1. Pac

    2. PBF

    3. JMM (@ 135, not if he campaigns @ 140 and definately not @147)

    4. Mosley

    5. Hopkins

    6. Donaire

    7. Ward

    8. Williams

    9. Vitali

    10. Dawson

    11. Wlad

    12. Cotto

    13. Bute

    14. Abraham

    15. Sergio Martinez

    16. Chris John

    17. Tim Bradley

    18. JuanMa Lopez

    19. Kessler

    20. Josh Clottey

    Just missed the cut: Yuriorkis Gamboa.

    BTW I really wanted to put Rigondeaux in there cause I think he's already got it but I'll wait till he fights someone with a pulse.

    Also for those who think Wlad is better than Vitali get a grip even this version of Vitali who is getting old is still better than Wlad even though I gotta give credit to Wlad who has improved alot.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    He lost a CLOSE ass fight to Calzaghe when Calzaghe was one of the best fighters in the world and he beat the ****ing crap out of Pavlik who was not really that much smaller than Hopkins who is also a career SMW with just a couple of fights above 160. Say what you wanna say about Hopkins being old and boring but the truth remains that this mutha****a is HARD TO BEAT.
     
  12. Chessboxer

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    Paul Williams top 3? C'mon.

    Hes overrated
     
  13. Big Left

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    Decent list but a bit US-centric.
     
  14. Rock0052

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    The biggest issues in this list are Paul Williams being overrated as **** and no mention of either Haye or Adamek, who should both be top 20 at this point.
     
  15. HEADBANGER

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    why would you rank bute, kessler, and clottey above david haye?