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The issue being discussed is the contract and Floyd's reluctance to sign it.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your points.

Pac ****ed up the first round of negotiations and it looks like Mayweather is this time around.

 

Random and cut off dates are incompatible. Your gap in reasoning is "Why is random testing an issue?"

It can only be two things "fear of being dirty" or "fear of physical damage (needle pricks)". The first is not acceptable. The second is weak, but scientifically backed by possibility of hematoma (bleeding from the testing sight when blood pressure rises). Happened to me. Fear of needles is BS coming from a guy with tattoos and a boxer who takes blood pathogen tests regularly.

So you all assume Pac is clean. OK. I will too. So now lets examine the possibility of hematoma. If this was the fear then his desire not to be stuck by needles would be fairly consistent as with years of experience he probably knows how long it takes for his body to heal.

Problem is that he is inconsistent. 24, 20, whatever... Seems he has little problem being stuck just as long as DRUG testing isn't being done. Pathogen tests seem to not require cut off dates.

This does not add up.

 

Crax is a very reasonable person on this forum, don't try to denigrate him like that because he isn't on board with the "pac killed the first fight" illogical movement.

The drug accusations killed it. If they never came up, what do you think would have happened?

 

Thinking you are close to an agreement with someone and they add a last minute stipulation that you won't accept and was never discussed prior.

Job interview where they tell you that the job pays 100K and the offer comes in at 75K.

That's a stretch, but you should get my point.

 

I completely disagree.

Floyd should have never implied pac was on something, and he should have never poured salt with the drug testing.

It came across like the most cowardly ridiculous negotiation ploy I have ever heard of.

That is until I hear some 60/40 bull****, then i'll just outright laugh when I even hear floyd mentioned in boxing.

 

Those are my words. No drug testing is "reasonable" if both guys agree. "Reasonable" is relative.

24 days became "unreasonable" when Mayweather wouldn't accept it. 14 days is 50/50 and is therefore MOST REASONABLE solution given both parties positions, but it isn't the only reasonable solution.

 

I have the same opinion of Crax which is why I'm surprised at his posts in this thread.

Roach and Pac both said last year that they have no problems with blood tests because they have nothing to hide and then at the last minute they try to add a 24 day cutoff date. That's what killed the fight.

 

What **** Floyd, He is ducking Pac. now He is wanting more money **** him. Haye and Floyd are ruining boxing.

 

Pac accepted it and then changed his mind.

The merit of Floyd's accusation and reasoning for requesting the tests are not the current topics being debated

 

So floyd was right in thinking 24 day cut off with unlimited urine was unreasonable and risky?

Doing that runs the risk of fighting a roided out manny pacquiao???

You are on board with that?

 

Lukeo get off pac's dick for god sake man.

 

Floyd had every opportunity to sign a contract he was negotiating for the biggest purse in boxing history with a smaller fighter who was willing to go above the required drug testing within his own reasonable estimation.

Floyd found his reasonable estimation of how long he would like to not have his veins tapped to be still too risky. He asked for an inch and tried to take a mile.

Pacquiao said, no... you get an inch. Floyd said, okay, then i'll take my mile and walk.

 

Changes occur in the body within days. So FMJ's request was as "unreasonable and risky" at 24 days as Manny's was "unreasonable and unsportsmanlike" to refuse 14 days.

Now mind you 24 days only came about because Pac was BUSTED on 24/7 giving blood at 24 days. 14 days was the 50/50 between 30 and 0. 14 days was the more reasonable of the two considering they were meeting each other halfway on every thing in that fight.

 

That is an apt analogy maybe if the job is babysitting a 10 year old. Here's why:


Floyd has worked every other job in his entire life for 25k and nobody has ever been paid 100k for similar work nor anywhere close to it. Everybody's working for the same 25k salary. So he gets a 100k job offer from a foreign company who he interviews with and they want to hire him, but realize they made a mistake in calculating the exchange rate and the amount they're realistically willing to pay him is only 75k. Mind you, that's 3x as much as he's worth and 3x more than anybody else in the world is making.

Should Floyd take the job?

 

And urine would be a suitable means for tracking changes in the blood, as explained previously, and ignored by you previously.