Total punches Canelo Landed 257 not 171

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  1. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks for entertaining this thread despite your insanely intense aversion to it! Much appreciated. :risas3:
     
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  2. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not whining at all bon ami. Just calmly and methodically-almost robotically some might say, making some accurate observations for the edification of those who prefer truth instead of the happiness which misinformation sometimes engenders.
     
  3. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    False dilemma. The twain aren't mutually exclusive. :risas3:
     
  4. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Will oblige when my time comes around. But until then-I guess you will have to grin and bear it.:risas3:
     
  5. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanx
    Its good to finally hear a voice of sanity amidst the deafening bedlam.
     
  6. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Its very hard to see and count punches on the fly.

    Some looks legit - blocked from another angle.

    Some are taps - not even punhes...

    Some punhes rolls of the guard and taps on the body/head - thus no punches.

    Some punches connects just slightly on a moving target. like a jab or a cross against a lean back move. It looks like a hit but in reality just like 5% of the power truly goes in to the target. Its also often calculated as a counter from a perfect distance and position. Canelo exaggerated these moves in the beginning of the fight. Thus no taps in the face from golovkin but in exchange slow counters from far out of position instead. how do you score those?

    Etc...
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Judging what lands and what doesn't I think is harder being ringside. The judges don't always have the right angle to see whats landing and whats not, particularly with Canelo playing defense on the ropes.
    One or more judges might be seeing Golovkin's backside, and all they see is him attacking Canelo, but they're not seeing that most isn't getting in, that Canelo is making him miss and nullifying even the connects by riding with the shots.
    That same judge seeing Golovkin's back isn't seeing Canelo counterpunching off the ropes because all he can see is Golovkins back and what seems like Golovkin having him pinned on the ropes, only Canelo isn't pinned, he's there because he wants to be there, evading and countering. In instances Canelo getting in all the clean shots and Golovkin being credited with punches thrown he didn't even land.
     
  8. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not hard at all. The judges aren't expected to see everything. However, they are expected not to count what they don't see or are unsure of or is a matter of their imagination. That is the fair way to evaluate a boxing match. Do the opposite and unfairness unnecessarily enters into the equation.
     
  9. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see why FMJ lost all his matches over the years after that new information about field of vision, thank you.
     
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  10. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally don't count half hearted distance measuring taps, feints, blows glancing off shoulders or partially blocked. If in doubt I choose not to count it at all. BTW GGG landed only four punches in the first round and missed 28. The rest of his movements were feints and pawing air. Canelo landed 16 solid blows.
     
  11. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    canelo got hit more often and apparently was getting hit harder because his ass was trying to escape most of the fight. that's all you need to know to determine who won. he has much better defense and punch resistance than i expected though. i thought he would fold like a tent. i was wrong.

    luckily for him it wasn't a 15 rounder. his second wind had expired and G man was still ready to put a beating on him at the end.
     
  12. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually it don't require that much thought. The results had the desired effect.
     
  13. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They were giving Nelo credit for punches that didn't land as well. He was on his back foot throwing punches just to keep distance that weren't actually landing, but received credit for. Given how much he was back peddling throughout the fight, there were many of those shots to account for. That's why it's interesting to see what the real numbers are for anyone really taking the time to count them watching it again. The compu box folks like the judges seemed partial for the A side, Nelo. So I believe that there are inaccuracies in the punch stats on both sides. I'd like to see another poster recount what actually landed so there's clarity
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    What makes this even more impressive is that, after a recount, it turns out Canelo only threw 241 punches
     
  15. Phelps-Brady

    Phelps-Brady Slicker than Raspberry ripple banned Full Member

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    Cool story bro. Now tell that to the 90% of people with a head! Canelo lost.
     
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