Toughest Pro Debut A Boxer Won

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  1. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    Are we supposed to cite only debuts against established and accomplished veterans? Because the idea of including John Carlo KO 1 Leon Spinks disturbs me, and I don't know how "Toughest Pro Debut" applies in that context.
     
  2. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    cant beat these answers..but have u ever seen a fighter so toughly matched early as Tyrell
    Biggs ? James Tillis,Renaldo Snipes,David Bey (both challenged for title)Jeff Simm then of course Tyson..all within 16 fights.
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rademacher was matched with the champ and then the #1 contender in his first two fights. Add Chuvalo, London, Moore, Jones, Mildenberger and Olson to Patterson and Foley in his 22 fight career, and I think he topped Biggs pretty comfortable.
     
  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    george chuvalo had to beat 4 men on his first night as a pro
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Vasyl Lomachenko just blew away a 25-3 fighter in his pro debut, and became the first man to KO him.

    Anyone who watched him as a AM knows he has pound for pound skills, power, guts, and speed. Is the the toughest pro debut ever? Not sure, but it was in the past 30 years.

    The lower weight fighters know a new king has arrived.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    I have been watching Lomachenko as an amatuer. He is the best prospect from the amateurs to turn professional since...maybe Floyd Mayweather. Lomachenko already has pound for pound type of skills. Very good power. Very Good speed. And a solid chin, but chins do not matter as much in the lower weights.

    In the gym, he slices through good pros like a hot knife through soft butter. His people saw him go 10 rounds in the gym, no sweat. So in there mind, there was little risk.

    There is a lot of talk about Golovkin ( Who I think will be an all time great ), Kovalev, ( Likely the odds favorite to win any match today at light heavyweight ), and Usyk ( Cusrier weight decorated with AM gold who is making his debut soon )

    As good as I think Golovkin is, I would have to say Lomachenko is going to be better. And that's a bold statement since Golovkin is the heir apparent at middle and perhaps super middle.
     
  7. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I have been watching Lomachenko since around 2007. A lot of talent, no doubt. Most dominant amateur in boxing since that time. BUT, even though he pulled it off and looked very good, he still had some moments of struggle and his face was a bit marked up after. You never know how a guy will react in his first pro fight, in a 10-round distance he's never done with small gloves and no headgear, and against a solid guy who has gone rounds. Different ball game. Sure he pulled it off and looked pretty darn good, but the risk can easily backfire at any moment. Why push him so fast? I think all this talk about him winning a legit world title within a few fights is premature. He has the talent to pull it off, but it would be wiser to get him the proper experience first so that he can learn a few tricks and generalship of the pro game, which is different, especially at the elite level - I don't care how good of an amateur he was. Why risk your blue chip guy so quickly before he has had time to develop fully?
     
  8. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    In Denmark Jadgar Abdulla won a decision over Frankie De Milo 14-1 in his pro debut.

    In his debut John Odhiambo fought six rounds with British Champion Bunny Johnson 53-14-1. Boxrec.com has is as a points win, but that is wrong. The decision was a draw, so unfortunatly it does not count.

    Woller
     
  9. Titan1

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    Ray Leonard against Luis Vega.
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know, where you got that from? As I recall it, Odhiambo won on points... just like they have it on BoxRec.
     
  11. frankenfrank

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    Hev sin gud menshens olredy in dis sred , bat Maskaev's stopej of d 21:0 Alexander Miroshnichenko went anowtict . yes , de seim 1 wum hed Bowe dawn 2 taims wizin 3 rds @ d 1988 Olympic geims @ SHW.
     
  12. Bulldog24

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    Nigel Benn for a non-Olympian.
     
  13. TBooze

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    Ahmed had seen better days, he was going through the motions, taking the money, winding down his career.
     
  14. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bonecrusher Smith took on Olympian James Broad in his first fight.
     
  15. NoNeck

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