Tracy Callis' ATG P4P Top Ten ?

first off as Bukkake states Lists are impossible to know or be 100% accurate, we just can't know with precise certainty.
secondly they almost solely depend on achievements either fully or mostly. h2h list are more objective but will still only be educated conclusions, again because 100% accuracy is impossible.

as too the Nonpareil (and others), it would certainly be how well they accounted themselves against the larger opponents they willing and with a degree of regularity were willing to face, win or lose.

it's not hard to understand and applaud such brave fighters, but again, lists will always be opened to discussion, approval or disagreement.

for me it is more that some fighters were just great competitors and honest combatants, where baring others would have been seen as a weakness.

FIGHTERS, that's what the Sport is supposed to be about, even when the Business of it is often fallacy.

 

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/callis-rankings.htm

Here is Callis' top 10 in each division. I agree with little of it, but we all have our own opinions.

 

My Charlie Mitchell thread wasn't crazy!

Greb is too low and Dempsey and O'Brien are too high, if those adjustments were made it would be much better. I still think it lacks Charles and Louis though

 

His cruiserweight rankings are okay because he`s included small heavyweight from past eras in that list, however I feel Holy should have been in that top 10 also.

 

I believe those lists were made quite a long time ago (maybe 10 years or more?), with no updates since - so Usyk could not have been considered.

 

Which modern elite trainer is better from the masters that were still around in the 1980's

 

I understand what you`re saying, but I like the way Ukranians are being trained, Loma and Usyk are extremely advanced boxers and Loma is trained by his father, Canelo is also extremely well drilled.

 

Yes I agree with Loma Sr.
As a whole though I believe the trainers or better yet teachers of the moment dont compare to the George Bentons Eddie Futches Bill Millers ect. Except for some glorified pad work that has moved to the forefront in today's training.

 

Are you familiar with so many of today's trainers of world champions, and their teaching skills - that you feel, you can confidently make a broad sweeping statement like that?

 

Yes

 

I highly doubt #5 but there is no film on him. Who did he beat to be that high? #7 and he's one of the lest skilled champions I saw on film. No way he belongs.

Not a fan of #8 or 9, but am of #10.

I agree with 5 of the 10 picks. ( 1, 2, 4, 6, 10 )

 

O'Brien at 160 pounds was better than Johnson in their 6 round match. Burns maybe won 2 rounds and was badly out classed by Johnson,

OBrien doesn't belong on a top ten pound for pound list. At best he's a top 20 all time light heavyweight, maybe top 15 for some.

 

What year was this list made?

 

I think at least ten years ago.

 

I certainly wouldn't myself.

I guess that he is putting a lot of weight on the fight with Jack Johnson, which would be like giving Billy Conn a place, because he took Joe Louis to the edge.

Of all of his picks, that is the one that I would resist the hardest!