Trainers who never boxed and are overrated

Angelo Dundee

 

This guy Sugar Hill Stewart, I don't care if he has boxed or not or if he is related to someone, he is a pathetic "yes man" for Tyson Fury. I doubt that he really knows how to train anyone.

 

Teddy Atlas.

 

Teddy Atlas at least fought in the amateurs.

 

It's in his book and Cus confirmed he did. Also I have seen Teddy move around a bit he knows his way around the ring and still has decent technique for an old bloke which leads me to believe that it is muscle memory from when he trained himself.

 

Imagine being trained by a boxerciser and a youtuber

 

He isn't even good at that. He just tries to sound smart and he tricks people that don't know anything.

 

I don't know about Bill Haney's background as a fighter, but he found a way to help his son become successful, so I can't knock success. For example Roger Bloodworth from what I know wasn't a boxer, but apprenticed under veteran trainers for many years and eventually became a head trainer and has had a lot of success. I wouldn't call him a fraud because he wasn't a boxer.

Also, Davison and Hunter fought as amateurs. That said even a former great fighter doesn't always translate into a good trainer. Former fighters usually work under veteran trainers for a while before going out on their own. That said even the best trainer can't work miracles.

Here is a quick article on Davison's background and it mentions him having a brief amateur boxing background.

Ben Davison is a British boxing trainer who is most known for helping Tyson Fury return to the top of the heavyweight division.

Davison has had perhaps the most unconventional routes into boxing than any other modern-day trainer. He boxed briefly as an amateur, but his attention soon turned to football.

He reached a good level and played for semi-professional side Stevenage Borough but boxing has always been his first love.

Chance meetings with Fury and Billy Joe Saunders opened the door for him to make a career in boxing as a full time trainer having previously helped fighters with diet nutrition, strength and conditioning and fitness.

Speaking about his rise in the sport, Davison said: "My dad boxed as an amateur and I was involved in boxing since before I could walk. I then boxed as an amateur but then I played football at a decent level for Stevenage.

"I was on and off with boxing and then Billy Joe Saunders asked me to work for him. I had to make a decision and to be honest, I've had much more emotional pleasure from training. I've found my niche and I'm lucky to have done so."
https://www.planetsport.com/boxing/ben-davison

Here is an interview with Virgil Hunter talking a little bit about his background in the boxing business.

His Lordships Restaurant in Berkeley, Ca was the place we met with 2011 Trainer of the Year Virgil Hunter to discuss his life’s work. The retired probation officer and trainer of the 2011 Fighter of the Year Andre Ward, was having lunch facing a backdrop overlooking the San Francisco Bay Bridge with over thirty retired colleagues that also worked in programs to help the troubled youth. Every month, Hunter meets with these old friends to relive old memories and talk shop.

During our visit, Hunter talked of being the generally recognized trainer of the year. In a reflective interview that speaks more of his commitment than accolades do, Hunter shows us where he paid his dues, tells how he broke ground in the fight game, explains the story of the best boxer in the Ward family.

RM: Virgil, congrats on being named the 2011 BWAA Trainer of the Year. What did you think when you heard the news?

VH: I am very thankful. But first, I want to make sure the coaching fraternity that I came up with from 1996 to 2004, guys like Barry Hunter, Leon Lawson, Tony Morrison, Kevin Cunningham, Nazeem Richardson, Joe Sanders, and Don Livingston, get recognition. We grew in a fraternity together. This award is as much for them as it is for me. We had all these world-class amateurs and people would always say when they turn pro somebody else would train them and take them to the next level. But we knew that wasn’t true. So, it’s not just for me, it is for all of them.

RM: How did you start training fighters and why?

VH: I started training fighters when I was working with the probation department. I always knew I could build a fighter. I was always involved in boxing all of my life you know. I never fought professionally but I fought a bit. And I took an apprenticeship course for three or four years, learning different methods from different trainers in the Oakland gyms.

RM: So what did you have to do during your time as an apprentice, carry a bucket?

VH: You carry a bucket. You help with the fighters. You deal with the fighters’ first-hand, help with fight plans. You wrap their hands for them, things of that nature. Basically you see the way these trainers deal with fighters. Each of them had their own way of doing it. As an apprentice, I had a chance to look at the fighters that they had and decide what was successful.

RM: Oakland boxing gyms?

VH: Yeah. I worked at the gyms in Oakland.

RM: Who were some of the trainers you learned from in Oakland?

VH: Guys like Bobby Warren, Jimmie Simmons, Charlie Smith, and Tiger Floyd. These trainers are legends in the Oakland area. They have been doing it for 40 or 50 years.

RM: Did you hit any bumps in the road when you got started on your own?

VH: So when I started, I had a few kids that were undefeated and had good records but I was getting them out of juvenile hall. I would get a few kids to 14-0 or 15-0 and something would always happen. You know, they already had bad habits. They already had outside influences that would conflict with our training. They had a lot of negatives. So it was mentally draining. One time I had a kid really going but then he went to jail for having an affair with his own mother. When that happened I said one promise. If I ever did it again it would be a young kid. I had little patience for older fighters. It had to be a young kid, around nine or ten years old. The goals were to have him successful early so when the temptations came along, he had the conscience to balance it. He had the conscience to stay on the right and know that if he went too far to the left then he would blow all that he built on the right. And it turned out that way when I met Andre.

RM: Right. So you started working with Andre Ward when he was nine years old. When did you start feeling like you saw something special?

VH: I knew after six months that if he stayed with it he would be great. I had a great feeling that when we came together it wasn’t for nothing. So I rode with it.

RM: Did you become Andre’s godfather when his father passed away?

VH: No, I was his godfather before his father passed away. There never was a ceremony or anything like that. We just spent a lot of time together. I became a second father to him you know. Godson has more than just a ceremony attached to it. I feel like he is my godson because God sent me another son. And God sent him another father. So it is more of a spiritual connection. We didn’t need a ceremony to confirm that title.

RM: OK. Did you have any doubts with Andre as a fighter? I mean, you spent a lot of time with the kid growing up. Did you ever feel like ‘man, what if this kid doesn’t pan out?’

VH: I had other fighters. I had Andre’s brother Jonathan. He was an amateur national champion with a record of 56-4. Jonathan is well-known in that fraternity. Actually, to be real about it, he had more talent than Andre.

RM: Yeah?

VH: Yeah. But he didn’t like to train. He won tournaments until he was 16. Then he wanted to do other things. But when he stopped he was 56-4. I had Karim Mayfield and Antawn Hicks as amateurs as well.

RM: Well, how did you know you were on the right path with Andre? We have talked in the past about some trainers getting a lack of respect. How did you know you were doing the right thing with Andre?

VH: Because I loved what I was doing and he made boxing fun. He had the same commitment as I did. So I was all the way in.

RM: Now, after all you have been through, you are the 2011 BWAA Trainer of the Year. Does it get any better than this?

VH: Well, it is a tremendous honor. And I’ll just say the goal is to shoot for the moon because if I miss I am still among the stars.
https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-b...-the-year-reveals-best-fighter-in-ward-family

 

Davison completely made up his amateur record. He claims a 17-0 record or something preposterous like that with no evidence or background into it. A 17-0 record is a top level amateur anywhere. You're competing in tournaments and getting recognition at that point. I will give a million dollars if you could even find 1 picture of Ben Davison competing in the amateurs. He will NEVER provide any proof of it. Absolute. Rubbish.

 

Haha agreed there is no way Davison went 17-0 as an amateur that is total BS like you said that is a very good record and would not have gone unnoticed in boxing circles. I am 11-2 as an amateur and have plenty of videos, photos and trophy's. On top of all that Davison just looks and sounds like a bloke who has never had a fight in his life haha.

 

I don't reckon Bill Haney or Teo Lopez Snr have ever boxed before.