Well, i'm 22, and have been active in boxing quite a while. Never any real fights though, or toughmans because I either never wanted to, or my weight is crap. So, recently I was in to it hardcore, and sparring tons of rounds (this was at an MMA place though). Just got tired of hurting, black eyes, busted noses, etc. So, I quit the actual sparring, and just decided to work on my own for a while. That's been goin' well, and my conditioning is getting to where I never thought it'd be. So, kind of wanted to stay active in fighting so I decided i'd start training some people to stay active, keep my reflexes up, etc. I'm training like 3 people. 2 of which don't want to fight, and one who is very promising! Reason I say he's promising is because he's 6'5, 195 right now. I'm goin to shed him down to 180 for toughman (160-184 division). I'm only 5'6 166...So, training this tall kid is fun as hell. Basically I was just training him to use his height. Work the jab, drop the big right on them every now and then to make them respect you. I figured I'd make him fight like a Wlad...Jab, Straight Right, whenever the fighter gets close enough GRAB HIM, and have the ref break it. Then realize it's toughman, and the ref won't break much. So, if somebody gets inside what suggestions do you guys have? I figure he could land some big uppercuts, maybe grab, and wrestle them...Try to get them off, back out to the outside, where he can fight his fight. Suggestions?
well a tall fighter needs to be able to keep at an arms length but if he is fighting a swarmer who gets up close alot you can do 2 things 1. lateral movement so as the boy is coming in move to the side and away again or much more effective 2. uppercuts. if the boy he is fighting drops his head low throw a left uppercut and that should stun him. if the boy just keeps coming forward let him throw afew pishy jabs then land a huge right uppercut as he steps forward if he does get up relay close lean on him and use your height to put weight on his shoulders to tire him but remember if he can make taht weight chances are somebody the same size or taller can make the weigth so be careful you need to train him to fight somebody his size also if hes that tall he should have some power in those hands so get him to throw punches in the correct way to maximise power the most important thing if hes the taller man tell him chin down hands up and hardly any head movement it is kind of impossible to slip shots when your taller just take them on the gloves
"the most important thing if hes the taller man tell him chin down hands up and hardly any head movement it is kind of impossible to slip shots when your taller just take them on the gloves " yup...just gotta have a strong neck and a strong jab....im 6ft5 195, my main problem is swarmers i panick, teach him to stay relaxed and use good foot work to avoid ropes and corners!
I haven't really gotten a chance to see exactly how STRONG he is (wrestling wise), but my basic gameplan for him: Stay out of there reach, and make them respect you with the jab/ occasional big right hand. If they do make it in land those big uppercuts, and then either MOVE, OR GRAB. It'd be nice if he was stronger than they are so he could wrestle them when they get on the inside, and wear em down.
LMAO! Sad...But true. I could just tell the boy to forget it. Take him out to a bar the night before the fight, and get hit shitfaced. Then he walks to the ring hungover, and he'd be on a level playing field as all the other guys
Perhaps..IF that's what he enjoys. A few months ago I was training him just a little bit, and then he had to go to school in another state. He ends up coming back for thanksgiving break, and wanted to box again. I brung the mits, and just mentioned something about toughman, and he's like "I WANT TO FIGHT IN IT!" I told him he didn't have to, but I'd train him if he wanted. He puts up on MySpace how he's going to fight, and I told him what to do when he went back to school (he's been working the heavy bag everyday for 2 weeks). I told him he needed to register ASAP, and gave him the website. He signs up that very night. I'm thinkin' ****! Wish I could be that in to it. I told him there was no reason he couldn't win, and he wins a little bit of $, but if he doesn't...We only trained for like 2 months, I want a training partner really (hard to find anybody that'll stick with me), and as long as he doesn't get hurt it'll be a great learning experience. I got him for a month now cuz of Christmas break. I told him I was going to really tear him up since I only have a month for him to get ready. Rounds of the heavy bag, the mits, TONS of cardio, he's going to be in the sauna everyday (has to drop about 11 pounds right now), and ultimately at least 2 weeks of sparring with me. One question about me sparring him....I want to build the guys confidence so obviously I'm not going to just jump him, and I really don't mind getting hit...Other than my ego not wanting to let him beat me pretty much. At first I figured I'd tell him I'm going easy, I want him to keep me off him with jabs/ straights, move around so I can't get to you, to uppercut me if I make it inside, and grab me. Then slowly I'll put more and more of myself in to it. Here's my question though...Do I actually tell him I'm holding back??? OR since he thinks I'm so good to be training him (I'm good, but my gift is training others IMO) don't tell him anything, and let him rough me up a little bit??? Which is better to get this guy FULL OF CONFIDENCE so he steps in the ring relaxed, and nails the hell out of people with no hesitation??? Mind you I only plan on doing about 2 weeks of actual sparring with him. He's kind of dorky, but has LOADS of potential...He has dorky friends though that are like "You aren't going to win!" I thought about telling his friends to spar with him inside those couple of weeks so he could just knock the **** out of some people to build confidence LOL
Uuuuhhh...what's up with the sauna every day, yo? Better do some homework before playing trainer, before you get him seriously hurt.
Sauna is good, and he needs to shed some weight...Correct? I'm not going to drain him...Just make him sweat it out. I've seen fighters before stay in the sauna right before there fights to drop serious weight, and just took it that it was a normal thing?
BTW: What do you mean "seriously hurt"? This is just toughman, and it's in West Virginia...It's just a bunch of redneck drunks going at it. He's probably going to be the biggest in the division (160-184), and it's not like he's fighting HW against 300 pounders. Your wearing headgear, and 16 oz gloves....Usually the guys who know the basics of fighting are the ones that win it. Besides, that's why I came on here to get advice of how to train this guy. As for getting "seriously hurt"...It's possible, but I really doubt it. He's got more chance of being hurt playing tackle football with his friends than in this fight IMO. He's one of the biggest, I'll make sure he's got good conditioning, to keep people off him, and if somebody gets close enough to make sure he gets away, or grabs so they can't hit him very good. So, he could lose a fight, but I'll try to make sure he doesn't get hurt...
If you don't want to get him hurt, don't use dehydrating as a way of losing. All he is going to lose is water which he'll immediately put back on. And if he isn't putting it back on, and properly...then he'll be in a weakened state. I have dehydrated for a fight, a few pounds, because I woke up one morning and for w/e the reason...I was heavier then I needed and it was for a major tournament. Sauna'd and did a spit cut to get there...then hydrated back up. It was a strange deal..you are light-headed, it is hard to focus, and ultimately you are putting your body and head at risk of sustaining serious injury. It was a call I made knowing it tho. It is the most unsafe way to cut weight there is. If you have time to prepare him...there are many good ways. Being in the sauna every day is not one of them. Try looking into a good diet plan for him, and a good running/jogging plan. I'm not a trainer and don't pretend to be, but I am a fighter...cutting weight to fight is something I know about, and even done right it is still hard on a person. Dehydrating is definately a bad plan.
i agree dont dehydrate him 2 shed weight i did once b4 a fight and it left me dizzy enterin the ring n i fought ****
Good advice..I appreciate it. I honestly think I can make him drop the rest of the weight naturally anyways. He came in for thanksgiving break and was 205 (he hasn't been working out hard lately/ dieting). That's been like 2 weeks ago, or so and already he said he lost almost 10 pounds just through working out/ dieting. He has to lose 11 more...and I work out very hard so don't see why I couldn't get him to drop it naturally.
I got a different kind of question, and was needing advice. Through most of my life I was always small, and people said I couldn't do such and such. I started lifting many years ago, and have used it as fuel ever since. Now, I'm quite big, I've did boxing/ martial arts, have nothing to prove, and nobody questions me...Even if I am only about 5'6. I just realized something today though...This will be the first person I've ever trained for any competition, I'm always at the gym working the mits with him, and his friends/ people at the gym are like "He's going to get KTFO!" At first I kind of shook it off just saying at least he's applying himself...Unlike others, and has the determination to do something...and that he'll be ok. Which I fully believe he has a good chance or I wouldn't waste my time, but it gives me a lot of doubt, and I really don't want to be made to look like a fool that wasted my time. Like I said the guy is 6'5, he'll be around the 180 mark by the end of January, he's very dedicated to trying it, he's got good power, good endurance, listens to what I say, and quite coordinated for his size...All the makings of somebody who could do well. I've told him over and over to stay back, work off his jab, don't get hit by a toughman hayemaker LOL, and honestly if he loses, but tries his best i'll be proud, and won't bother me. NOW, if he steps in there and does get KTFO I'm gonna feel like an idiot! Is it natural to feel this way? Thinking about it every fighter who competes has a trainer, and in basically every fight they have a loser..Sometimes the loser is blown out of the water! Just don't see how a trainer could accept that. I guess I'm not in his shoes though...After I'm done with him, I have no control, and everything is up to him. What you all think?
