Translation: Marquez Breaks Down His Fight With Pacquiao In The 'Golpe A Golpe' Ring

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  1. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    Good **** Bogotazo.
     
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  2. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    Like he was suppossed to get koed in the 3rd fight?.Riiiiiight
     
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  3. Boxing Fanatic

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    his defense was brilliant for this fight. their game plan was awesome. pac is vulnerable when he throws a lot of punches because he leaves himself open for counters.
     
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  4. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thx for the translation Bogotazo. :good
     
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  5. FloydPacquiaoJr

    FloydPacquiaoJr Guest

    Marquez's new strategy will be countered in the 4th fight
     
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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Pacquiao: "He hurt me."

    Marquez succeeded in landing the cleaner blows in a majority of rounds to the vast majority of posters. He has done his best and realized that without a KO, he will never get a deserved decision. Why fight Pacquiao's fight and trade bombs? That's how he'd lose. That's not boxing. Maybe that's why you can't appreciate the performance.

    New strategy? It's always been the same one, give or take a few tactics. It's Pacquiao who has tried changing things up from fight to fight in order to nullify Marquez, and he hasn't been able to do it.
     
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  7. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WARS are always better than tactical fights in my opinion. No round of the years ever feature a one-sided schooling. It's always a slugfest, hence Ortiz-Berto round 6 and Kirkland-Angulo round 1. That's why I and II > III - blood and guts. And aren't they the preferred mode of combat for Mexican warriors?
     
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  8. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Of course he has nullified Marquez. Pac just hasn't been able to dominate him. When people aren't able to nullify Marquez, they get knocked the **** out (Casemayor, Diaz I, Katsidis).
     
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  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Go ahead and watch the first two fights and a good half of Juan Manuel Marquez's career if you want a war. Some of us like watching the finer points of the sport being displayed just as well.

    Why don't you ask Pacquiao why he barely engaged coming forward and didn't go all out round after round instead of nervously jittering out of range for half the fight? He is supposed to be the aggressor, after all. Can't blame a counter-puncher for counter-punching. Sure, wars are often better, but that has nothing to do with who should have won. People that understand the technical aspects of the sport appreciated the artistic elements of this fight.

    And considering the reception of hundreds of Mexican fans upon his return at the airport, I'm thinking if he fought Mexican enough for them in beating Pacquiao by popular opinion, then he fought Mexican enough for the rest of you.
     
    Bogotazo, Nov 19, 2011
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  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Ah right. Just like Salido, Barrera, Juarez, Polo, Diaz in the rematch, etc. They survived the 12 and nullified Marquez I guess, right? Odd how they didn't get the decision.

    Nullifying means taking away someone's offensive capabilities almost entirely. Null = 0. It means invalid. Marquez's offense was more than valid and present in this fight. Not getting knocked the **** out does not mean you nullified your opponent.
     
    Bogotazo, Nov 19, 2011
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  11. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's a question I wondered myself - why Pac was TOO RESPECTFUL of Marquez's power. He had no problem jumping into the ring of fire in I, II, and against power punchers like Hatton, Cotto, even Clottey - big, strong, sturdy guys. In all those fights, Pac ENJOYED trading. But Marquez's "new" power made him hesitant. Look at the guy they contracted to be his conditioner and then draw your own conclusions.
     
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  12. FloydPacquiaoJr

    FloydPacquiaoJr Guest

    he ran a lot more in this fight
     
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  13. mtz

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    i think Marquez is a messiah in the ring and there is nothing pac can do to KO him when he fights smart, like the 3rd fight. That being said marquez knows if he goes for a KO he becomes vulnerable, so why do it when you can school pac and show him what the "art of boxing" truly is... people want to see him risk KD and KO for no reason... his tactics and performance should have sent him home with a BIG W but $$$$$$$$$ is powerful.

    whats the point in slugging if you know the odds are agaisnt you and your opponent can handle you punches fairly well... if you get KD you basically just dumped a rnd even if you won it ....
     
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  14. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll concede your point on this.
     
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  15. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    sad to say it's true. I mean wtf? why did pac fight a tactical war with Marquez? that was the worst mistake a fighter would make against the likes of Juan. or it's just that hard for pac to break down juan's defence.
     
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