Trapped Inside The Echo Chamber: When Boxers Are Shielded From Constructive Criticism

Someone posted a video here last week of Errol Spence talking about this, he made the point that he doesn't need a bunch of yes men around because he knows they don't care about him or have his best interests at heart. Actually, Spence impresses me every time I hear him speak, a very grounded, mature young man with a serious, professional attitude. I expect him to fulfil his potential and avoid the pitfalls of success.

Epic post by the way CST80

 

Broner is a good example

Same for alot of fighters in Mayweathers stable. How many have them have been regarded as future champs but fell at their first hurdle to only get back up and KO'd again?

They all live in a coocoon and are told constantly they are great and get applauded for an average workout routine on a heavybag...Then you have a guy like Maidana or Matthysse to pop out of a hole in Mexico/Argentina to kick some ass.

This is where the cream of the crop rise. We get to see them very early in their career. Floyd wasn't that big headed early in his career right? he earned his graft and status before he built his character to earn $$$. But these days from the get go they try to market themselves before they can even hone their skills.

Rule number 1: Most people don't know sht about baxing
Rule number 2: Don't believe the hype!
Rule number 3: God sent forth his son - Tyson Fury, to rid the world of all evil in the heavyweight division.

The new kid Gevonta Davis seems like the real deal but what happens when he faces adversity as all fighters do?

 

great thread. im seeing a lot of these lazily created myths that formed the gospel of esb, being slowly removed from canon.
i made a comment about free speech yesterday, that i think has relevance. i noted how free speech is a wonderful thing, but it doesnt mean you have to always exercise your right to it. if you dont know what youre talking about, and you know that you dont know what youre talkin about, just STHU!
understanding is organic, its going to grow or shrink depending on the facts accepted as truth in this forum. if you have too many people who dont know what theyre talking about, setting the tone, those who are just as ignorant are going to add to the insanity because the insane viewpoints seem to outnumber the accurate ones.
the esb version, of the story of boxing, will keep changing as certain viewpoints begin to dominate over previously held assertions, and on and on. the direction will be determined by how much real truth is included in the versions allowed to dominate.

 

The people that consider Mayweather TBE are usually those yes men.

 

Agreed @CST80

I've always felt Danny Garcia is a prime example. His father was only able to bring him so far, as competition stiffened his limitations became more and more apparent. I remember watching his media workout on the shield, don't remember which fight, and I thought: my God, he needs a new trainer. The work was so bland, so basic, and that translates into the ring. His father should work his corner and be assistant trainer, motivate his son. But he needs someone else to teach him how to box.

 

I think that Eddie Reynoso is an underrated trainer. Canelo is a big star multi millionaire he is going to call the shots with any trainer he has.

 

Fair enough, which trainer do you think would improve Canelo?

 

There's a great line that sums this up, it says; "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken****"

Guys like Chavez, and Algeri mediocre athletes with huge flaws, they have pretty much matched out their potential, one had limited potential, one is always in tip-top shape, and no trainer is going to take Chris Algeri to the hall-of-fame. Broner is a talented guy who is probably not going to listen to anyone anyway, and doesn't want to dump his father. Shawn Porter is a 5-6 welterweight who has done great in two title shots, Guerrero's reflexes and balance are shot, and Freddie Roach aint going to make them come back. Deontay Wilder is 38-0 with 37 knockouts, and olympic medal and a heavyweight championship...after 23 amateur fights.

 

SOB is definitely protected from criticism. SOB is a myth.

Wilder is a legend within his own mind...............

 

I think the opening paragraph was so good, and so spot on. There is so much labelling "oh you're left wing, you're all idiots". "Oh you're a right winger, you're crazy". Democracy benefits from the diversity of opinion. And not from - as you correctly pointed out - everyone repeating the same exact doctrine day in day out. That's actually what the Soviet Union was like.

Social media has made this "my opinion is right, yours is wrong" problem much worse.