Tribute To Roy Jones Jr. Greatest of our Generation: And General Forum Send Off to KG

And Jones did things they couldn't do either, and should be justly rewarded.

On top of this, why should he be held to a higher standard? You set the standard and then decide whether or not people exceed it, fall in line with it or are below it. If you adjust it for every fighter or certain fighters, it becomes unfair. Jones is held to a higher standard in some regards, as in his resume doesn't match his talent. But Jones resume is actually quite good relative to other fighters of his era. So if comparing side by side with other fighters, we should be using the same standard, not a special one for Jones. If you want to hold Jones to a higher standard relative to your expectations, that's entirely different. You are basing your expectations on the level you believe he could reach. That is not the same as comparing him to other fighters. They start on a level playing field and some reach higher than others.

If Jones had not had longevity, that would be one thing. But he was top dog for a decade. He should not be penalized for falling to father time. Rather guys like Hopkins and Moore should be rewarded for adjusting to father time. You do not have to do one to do the other.

 

Jones is the best ever IMO. I'm not talking about legacy or historical boxing greatness, I'm just talking about pure H2H ability.

Kg, you will be greatly missed by everyone here. You were one of the most objective posters ever in here and you never acted arrogant, even when arguing with complete idiots who knew nothing about boxing. I hope to see you back here sometime. You can email me the picks for the prediction league if you want in the future. Enjoy the Cotto fight. Later!

 

Roy Jones is legend

KG best of luck man

 

Hopkins
Toney
Lucas
McCallum
Griffin
Hill
Johnson
Gonzalez
Woods
Ruiz
Tarver

Some of those guys you will take issue with most likely. All were champions. All have quality wins. And frankly, if you're gonna list Katsidas and Freitas, well then each of these fighters qualifies. I have nothing against said fighters, but they were fringe champions just like Woods and Lucas.

 

Also you could mention the way Roy dominated these fighters easily (people rarely care about this for some reason). Casamayor didn't. Most of those fights were very competitive and close decisions.

 

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

You don't see people rating Foreman higher than Ali because he won the title at a more advanced age. You don't see people penalizing Hagler against Hopkins legacy wise.

Besides, there are too many variables to make such a judgement. MAB and Morales were shot at age 32 because of the types of fights they were in. Jones wasn't bad until 34 or so. He didn't fight wars. He did move up and down in weight. Hopkins didn't. They did different things with their bodies.

Either way, you won't catch many people penalizing Jones for losing past his prime. You don't catch people penalizing Hopkins for his loss to Calzaghe. Had he beaten Calzaghe, he would have gotten a great deal of credit. But the loss hurt his legacy very little. We judge fighters by their peaks (and other athletes) as long as that peak reaches a certain reasonable standard.

 

Freitas was never very good IMO. He was good at one weight and that was against limited competition. He stepped up and lost, even on your scorecard.

I am talking about Reggie Johnson, not Glenn Johnson. Reggie Johnson is a two weight champion (MW and LHW). Lucas is no worse than Katsidas. You say he is underrated and that's your opinion, but in the ring, he has proven little, no more so than Lucas. McCallum even at an advanced age was a champion and still a better fighter than Katsidas. As for Gonzalez, his wins over DM, Glenn Johnson, Griffin, and Letterlough certainly make him better than Garcia and Katsidas.

You cannot use your own subjective criteria of how good you think a fighter is to trump what his resume shows to argue a point. Not IMO anyways. Katsidas and Freitas proved less in the ring than most of the fighters I named. My list is quite fine by most people's standard I think you'll find.

Anyways, I'm out for the next few hours. Be back after the fight.

 

I'm out guys.....

Missed the fight because the place I went to showed the MMA card instead. Will catch it on the replay. Sounds like a great fight. Props to Margarito and anyone who called the upset. Enjoy yourselves and keep it honest!