Trinidad P4P from 1990-99

you downplay Oscar's wins over Pea and Quartey and what SHOULD have been a win over Tito, then you give major props to what in my eyes, and most other people's eyes, is a black mark in Tito's career, the low blow master class v. Vargas.

Sheer genius.

 

I agree the low blows were instrumental.

The Pea and Quartey fights have been disputed by Boxing fans that is a fact.
I said, I have Oscar winning the Tito fight, but nobody can claim that the last few rounds taint what had until then been a fantastic display of footwork and accuracy.

I only said there was an argument for ranking Tito above Oscar.

'Sheer Genius'

 

If fights only lasted 6 rounds maybe... But Oscar disagrees with you from rounds 8 and up. :rofl

 

:huh

i know i said dlh ranks higher

 

yup

 

Regarding Oscar vs Tito Oscar had 8 rounds in the bag. He could of ran, done cart wheels, moonwalk, or danced like a ballerina away frpm Tito the rest of the way. Hello, 8 rounds to 4? These judges can't even ****ing add. Aside from that, Titos white trunks were all splattered with his blood. He was getting outboxed and outpunched all Tito was doing was coming forward running into the punches. Horrible decision.

 

I would rank tito #9 of the 90's

 

Good list wrong order

1) Pernel (rank by many as top 10 ATG)
2) RJJ Yall musta forgot!
3) Iron Mike
4) The REAL DEAL
5) SSM
6) Oscar
7) Tito

**** I forgot about Lopez he is in there somewhere

 

Tito was a beast in his prime.
He was ranked top 10 P4P 6 years in the 90s, longer than DLH, and anyone else except Whitaker, RJJ and Ricardo Lopez.
He was ranked top 5 in five of those six years, with 7th being his lowest ranking in his first year in the top 10.
He is arguably top 5 with those guys if you go on consistency. You have to judge him for what he did in that period, and not let the later part of his career influence your judgement.
Right out of the 90s he arguably had the best run of anyone in the 90s top 10, moving up from his excellent welterweight career to destroy two skilful hungry young lions at 154 and then KO'd a respected middlweight champion. He reached almost Pacquiao-like destroyer status before the Hopkins fight and wanted Roy Jones after that he was that confident. Have to give the guy respect for challenging himself. His ranking is justified

 

The Pernell Tito fought wasn't the same one Oscar fought. That said, I've watched the fight a dozen times and while it was close, Pernel didn't do nearly enough to win. He landed one jab at a time compared to Oscar outlanding the power punches. Pernel acted a fool, and danced the fight away with his BS. oscar came forward all night, threw more punches and landed the more effective punches. Oscar won that fight.
Also, the fighter Tito fought in Quartey was said to be in decline too.
Oscar fought a couple Tito leftovers, but obviously Tito beat a couple of Oscar leftovers also.
When Oscar fought pernel he was rated number one p4p. He was no where on that list when Tito fought him.
Oscar also fought a massive, roided up Vargas, compared to the skinny kid Tito dismantled. Oscar also took less rounds to KO him, also took less rounds to KO mayorga.
Oscar was the more complete fighter and even Mayorga said Oscar hit harder.

 

1. Roy Jones
2. Pernell Whitaker (A very close second)
3. Julio Cesar Chavez
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Felix trinidad
6. Ricardo Lopez
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Terry Norris
9. Shane Mosely
10. Mark Johnson



Keith

 

I cant rank jones number one considering his resume, he had loads of talent but didnt face the top fighters in his weight division.

:hat

 

In five of the ten years, he finished the calendar years: 7, 5, 4, 4, 3, and they apparently didn't produce any in the middle of his span.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Pound_For_Pound--1990s

 

1. Whitaker
2. Lopez
3. Jones
4. Chavez
5. de la Hoya
6. Trinidad
7. Canizales
8. Holyfield
9. Johnson
10. Norris
11. Bowe

I have Lopez higher in my "ATG ranking," so I can't justify putting Jones ahead of him.

 

Tito never fought Quartey...Quartey had the Tito fight and chose to fight DLH instead. Tito put a nasty beating on Vargas and Mayorga were both were stoped for their first time and roided Vargas was NOT the better version of Vargas. Tito's over hand right landing on Whitaker all night proved to cause more trouble than anything DLH did against Pernell. Both of their runs at 160 were marginal but Tito still fared better than DLH struggling against castillejo and loosing to sturm.