Trinidad vs Cotto "fantasy fight" who wins at 147

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  1. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    It would look like the Torres fight but Tito would be able to take Cottos punch and finish him.
     
  2. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Putting on a masterful display of boxing against a pressure fighter does not make one a master boxer. That is YOUR misinterpretation. Against Blocker he was effective in his combinations because of the severe lack of movement that Blocker was providing. I have already covered this in my previous posts. You clearly DO NOT UNDERSTAND EFFECTIVE PRESSURE EITHER. Effective pressure isn't being a swarming volume puncher. It is utilising great timing, a solid jab to back your opponent up, and keeping them in range to land your power shots. This is what Trinidad did, and this is what he was best at. You have not in any way highlighted his diversity in terms of boxing skill by using this fight. You have been thoroughly exposed. Move on.
     
  3. Ring Master

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    I don't have to provide make believe situations. the things he did in his career are enough. Tito controled the distance and timed his jab to negate Carr's speed and feints that were giving him problems at first. That is ring generalship and boxing. Cotto does not have a solid defence especially from the right hand. that's what makes Cotto so exciting. Everytime he has gotten hurt it has been from the right hand. he was blocking Shane's looping right hands with his face.
     
  4. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    To be fair Cotto would certainly not fight Trinidad like Torres. I highly doubt Cotto had seen very much footage of Torres, and as such came in with a bad gameplan. The other major difference is that Torres was luring Cotto in to his power, where as Trinidad would be the stalker in a fight vs Cotto. IMO when Cotto fights off the back foot he is much tigher defensively and he also is much more cautious of getting caught. Torres IMO exposed maybe Cotto's biggest weakness, in that much like Tito, he could be lured into his opponents power, by waiting for him to come forward and committ to his punches before countering. IMO Cotto has become much aware of this since this fight, and against Torres he learnt a lot. I don't disagree with your assesment of the fight at this stage, however if i saw Cotto implement such a strategy successfully against a top level guy with good power who became the aggressor, then I would certainly change my mind. I think Cotto certainly has the potential to do this.
     
  5. Ring Master

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    :lol: The only thing you have exposed lil homie is your love for Cotto.
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I don't have to provide situations = YOU CAN"T. Just admit it. Cotto does not have the best defence, and is particularly open to the looping right hand. However, he is still a tidier boxer then Trinidad, who uses better movement, can counter puncher more effectively, and is more diverse in his attack. This is extremely evident in the times Trinidad has lost, as he simply has no plan B, and no way of adapting to his opponents. Regardless, I am simply repeating myself now as you fail to concede the points I have made. It has become a pointless arguement.
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    You have exposed yourself as a biased boxing critic, who resorts to avoding quesionts and trying to belittle people with extremely childish insults in an attempt to cover up his own poor analytical ability. I have nothing more to say, it is there for everyone to read. If you weren't so arbitrary in your approach you would not leave yourself looking so foolish.
     
  8. Ring Master

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    I feel the same way.

    Not that I dont but why??? Why make up situations when I can use real life! How that doesn't that make sense to you???

    I already stated that by the time Tito lost to hopkins his love for his power limited his own dimesions. You hear what you want.

    Cotto has not shown the boxing acumen to outbox the much larger "PRIME" Trinidad. Point blank period.
     
  9. Toopretty

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    Hell of a fight that could go either way in my mind. Tito has the equalizer. Cotto can fight going backwards but he does not like doing it. I think Tito could lure him into a brawl. If they trade left hooks, tito would get the better. Cotto has a great jab but he uses to get inside rather then to keep somebody at bay.
     
  10. Ring Master

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    :lol: Biased towards puerto ricans???:rofl :rofl :rofl okay

    When did i insult you???

    All that BS you spweing but still you can not dispute that nothing Cotto has shown at this point makes anyone believe he could beat/outbox Tito at 147. Look at this thread lil homie, no one agrees with you. Cotto is not the boxer hopkins or winky wright is.
     
  11. Ring Master

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    Not to mention Tito is 5'11(Cotto 5'7) with like a 6 inch reach advantage.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    He outboxed Shane Mosley, and I didn't call him a master boxer, did I? I said he was a better boxer than Tito. Don't worry though, he'll give the boxing style a rest when he fights your poster-boy Floyd and decides to put the hurt on him.:good
     
  13. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Trinidad would KO Cotto inside 6 rounds.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    OK, the fact that Tito was getting outboxed by a shot, coke-head Whitaker early on, and getting a masterclass performance put on him by De La Hoya, and showing that his only weakness really is pure boxers, kinda shows me that he's not this great boxer that you speak of. Tito was a puncher, first and foremost. Stop acting like you're the all-knowledgable one. Tito was by no means a boxer. Cotto has shown the abiility to hit and move, to out-point an aggressive fighter, and a high level one at that. Not quite on Tito's level though(which is why I do pick Tito to win, in case you missed my opening post:roll: ). I pick Tito to win this fight, but he is and never has been a top notch boxer. Neither is Cotto as of yet, but he has shown good boxing skills, and the ability to adapt his game. Something Tito hasn't done, no matter what matchups you bring up of him fighting bums.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    I believe both me and MSTR both picked Tito to win, by KO nonetheless. Or do you only read what you want to read? We said in the future, if Cotto continues to show us the ability to adapt and box, things could change.