Troy King says Mikey stops Loma easy.

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol thought I was going mad there for a minute Ellerbe,this is my original post on the matter,you'll notice I call em both racist.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    What else has he done? Give me a list of truly verifiably racist things Kovalev has said and done, that isn't people just reading into things.
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

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    This comment I didn't write but am stealing in hope that it smacks some sense into @ellerbe

    JasonTO 5 points 3 years ago

    I think there's also a difference in the degree of victimization that occurs with these types of crimes that makes it difficult accept and forget. Assault, robbery, adultery (not really a crime, but I've seen it mentioned): the victims are wronged, but they are wounds that heal. Sexual victimization - especially the prolonged variety, which is what this was - tends to leave victims with scars, particularly the psychological kind, that they carry for life. This is true for victims of one-off sexual abuse. I can only imagine the kind of demons that arise from being subjected to the type of abuse Stevenson's inflicted on his victims.

    So while, yes, people deserve second chances, I do think there's a sad irony in the fact that Stevenson has been afforded the opportunity to move on with his life, enjoying the fame and riches that come with being a celebrated public figure, while his victims will, in some way, never get that chance. There's also the added insult of having to experience your tormentors successes through the media.

    Also, I find the nature of his profession makes it all the more difficult to look beyond his past. Stevenson is a man who makes his money bludgeoning opponents with his fists. And he's good at it. Not boxing. Not the art of hitting while not getting hit. His specialty is that most quintessential of prize fighting qualities: pure, concussive power. He is celebrated for his ability to render grown men unconscious or otherwise incapable of defence. But it was this same power that was utilized against his victims - young women, often underage. Watch Stevenson knock out Chad Dawson, a grown man trained in the act of absorbing blows to the head. Watch Stevenson scramble his brains; watch as with one punch he severs the reigning Light Heavyweight Champion of the World's faculties from his extremities. Now imagine that left hook landing on a scared, naked 16-year-old girl. Which is what regularly occurred in Stevenson's games of forced naked fight club. Keep that in mind the next time you watch him fight.

    There is a sadism to Stevenson's crimes that go beyond financial gain or the desperate necessity brought on by poverty. What's more is that Stevenson has shown no remorse. His response never goes beyond claiming he was hanging around the wrong people. That's a cop out. He refuses to take responsibility for his crimes and the affect he's had on people's lives.

    I'm not incapable of forgiving. I just don't think it's warranted here.
     
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  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I mean this is off the top of my head. I'm not going to do extensive research on it.

    1. The Russian situation. He was racist to Sillyakh and even used the n word on national tv.

    2. The ape comparison.

    3. The racist little twitter thing he made before Ward/Kov 2 using the n word.

    4. His racist tweets to Lewis-This one I can't verify but I highly doubt Virgil is just going to make this up.

    It's just a pattern. If I research I bet I'd find way more stuff too.
     
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  5. latineg

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    Hey I started "stalking" you all by myself for the stupid stuff you consistently say. I don't need anyone to help me in that area. I do it for the good of the forum.

    I can't help it if others are all seeing the same thing I see within you at the same time within this one thread.

    As far as your like count I have no clue about that, you weasel.

    You dishonour yourself, your poor mum, smh.
     
  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes and I continuously asked u to bring up an example of EGO bringing up race. You couldn't so you tried to bring up Troy instead. I never once said Troy didn't bring up race.
     
  7. Angler Andrew

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    Clearly you've not been listening to him then,he's just made a vid about promising UK prospects three of em were black,what's this black boxing community anyway,are you part of it,does it even exist?
     
  8. ellerbe

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    Are you challenging me to bring up multiple videos of him talking about race?
     
  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm capable of forgiving and I think it's warranted if someone has shown a clear case of reforming. He's a model citizen and a family man now. Also we truly do not know what really went down with his case. Only Stevenson and the girls involve do. Not saying he shouldn't be criticized for what he did, or that what he did was acceptable.
     
  10. latineg

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    Very well said UF, especially the part about the scars he left on his female victims lasting a lifetime.

    Not that it will make a difference to weasel boy, he's become a expert at denying the truth and he may never recover, sadly.
     
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  11. CST80

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    I do think Hunter would make it up, Lewis would probably be vocal about it if he did say anything to him. As far as Sillakh goes, its Russia vs. Ukraine, they dislike each other, and its a different culture as well, that word doesn't carry the same weight over there as it does here. He hasn't said it since. The video was a joke, even Blizzy said he didn't think it was racist. That leaves the ape thing, which was racist, but was I think a joke, Kovalev is a brute and insensitive as hell, and has a tendency to be uncouth, but he's far from a Klansman or Aryan, and what he did isn't on any level comparable with what Stevenson did. The fact is Mike Tyson was openly and violently hostile and racist towards whites when I was a kid, and he's by and large beloved at this point, and I still like Mike as well. Comments and bad jokes will never outweigh actions in my book.
     
  12. latineg

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    We know he beat women as their pimp for a long time running,

    What part of not really knowing what REALLY went down are you still unclear about ellerbe?
     
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  13. Angler Andrew

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    lol that's as epic a fail as the big hands thread,come on dude to suggest I wasn't talking about Troy King in a thread that started with him and where my first post on the matter talks about him,I think you're just trying to kid yourself and me into believing this BS.
    By the way I've nothing against you,just trying to explain how race just isn't important on here and in 2017 there shouldn't be any us and them attitudes,just enjoy the sport man.
     
  14. ellerbe

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    The issue is if he didn't do all those other things and made that "joke" of a video, I wouldn't find it racist either. But it's his history that makes me think that he had racist intentions.

    You're obviously correct about the comparison of the severity of what they've done. What Stevenson has done is clearly a million times worse. But at the same time like I've said a million times, he's showed that he's reformed and is a model citizen now. With Kovalev I feel like he has no intentions of changing his ways, and he continues to make racist remarks or borderline racist remarks.

    Also being part-black can you blame me for disliking the guy?
     
  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    What in the actual **** are you rambling on about. I clearly asked several times to bring up videos of EGO bringing up race.. Are you illiterate? The only massive fail is you not being able to comprehend what I clearly stated several times.