TRT - testosterone replacement therapy in sports

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  1. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    its used by a large portion of the russian population not just athletes, its seen like a mutl vitamin over there.

    if meldonium should be banned there is a laundry list of supplements in the west such as l-cartinine ect that should also be banned, i just want fairness
     
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  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    So do you want cartinine banned because meldonium is or do you just want both banned because they're performance enhancing?

    What about products banned in the West that aren't in the East? Do you float both ways or only feel there's a bias in America?
     
  3. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    i want neither of them banned until they can prove they actually have provide significant proof they have a big impact on performance.

    which products are you on about?
     
  4. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're wasting your ****en time AL!!! He's one of those online wannabe PR idiots for Russians athletes spinning the truth into lies and hiding behind Hopkins TRT use lol...because he knows that Headvetkins use of Ostarine convicts Planet Headvetkin in the publics mind. If he were to admit Headvetkins guilt, his carcass over there wouldn't ever be found. He's a cry baby, he's fake, fat, ugly and is using like 3-5 alts...all to protect Headvetkins and his ****en PED use. He's a scab of the sport. A pure scab lol...
     
  5. Kevin Willis

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    Everyone is on TRT in combat sports, assuming your levels are sub optimal before hand. It gives you an extra kick and you feel better but all in all it's a small amount of gear, Usually 150-200 mg/week. most people who use AAS run at least 5X that amount while stacking other compounds as well.

    Just being on TRT is a drop in the bucket in relation to what most use.
     
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  6. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Either contribute something useful or shut up.
     
  7. Saintpat

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    Holy cow, no wonder meldonium is banned: it's actually Soviet Super Soldier Serum.

    I'm not making this up. It was developed for the Soviet army to increase stamina and strength for the invasion of Afghanistan.

    Soldiers were forced to take it without even being told what it was.

    Oh, and you wanted research? The Washington Post quotes from a LATVIAN NEWSPAPER story on the inventor who cites that his research showed that it is performance-enhancing in stamina and strength.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...et-military/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.1ec606f52919

    So basically, the Russian version of Baron Zemo. This is not only PED cheating, it's freaking sinister.
     
  8. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    first of all , the inventor of the product claims these benefits, he is the guy looking to sell it, of course he isn't going to say, oh well it doesnt really have much of an effect

    i wouldn't believe anything the washisgton post ever published, they are a bought and paid for propenganda outfit which has already been proven

    so when the scientific evidence you harp on about wanting is inconclusive whether there are any benefits from meldonium you then rely on sensationalist journalism that isn't backed up by any scientific fact and quote the benefits of the product that its creator tells you as gospel? you really are naive

    id say you are the same guy who buys them miracle creams that cure baldness that some shady market dealer said would work
     
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  9. Saintpat

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    I'd say the Soviet army probably didn't force-feed Super Soldier Serum pills to its invading army without any testing, any research, any reason to believe that it wouldn't help them -- much less how would they have known it wasn't harmful?

    The proof is in the Soviet pudding.

    You say over and over, "If this or that is ever proven," but you shun scientific studies, you say you don't believe some sources because they're "from the West" and thus apparently you think anti-Russian, but then you also reject the very Eastern Euro scientific studies that prove that it's performance-enhancing.

    And the Washington Post is quoting a Latvian newspaper here. As well as quoted sources who said these things on the record with their names attached to them.

    We get it. You don't care that Povetkin is a PED cheat. Just say that instead of coming up with all this other nonsense.
     
  10. gmurphy

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    you didn't cite a source pat you quoted the washington post a corrupt outlet, who quoted a latvian newpaper who quoated the creator of the product in question (who has vested interests in saying that it has large benefits) who is also from a balkan nato country with a lot of tentions currently. you quote this as proof when it is no scientific proof what so ever, the scientific proof you keep harping on that you need to believe anything. the results from the effective of meldonium at in conclusive or none at all

    if povetkin is a peds cheat for taken meldonium then wilder is a peds cheat, every athlete in the world who has ever taken an aspirin, l-cartinine is a peds cheat and a doper. in fact most of your family are peds cheats ,im a peds cheat.


    when the details of the new issue with povetkin come out il decide whether i believe him to be a cheat, we havn't had any details yet but it is more damning than the meldonium case since it is actually a real ped in question this time
     
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  11. Kevin Willis

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    Are you more stupid or gullible?
     
  12. chitownfightfan

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    Actually, in america, there are about a dozen reasons doctors can prescribe tes therapy.
    Easiest way to get it is to say your sex drive is lacking.

    Automatic prescription for Androgel LMAO.
    I know for fact, cause I got it for a couple yrs.
     
  13. chitownfightfan

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    Excellent post DJ
     
  14. gmurphy

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    jesus, thats insane. and its okay if you need it but when athletes are using it to dope it is just a scam
     
  15. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    In some cases....Tarver, Toney, Holyfield, and BHOP, they were prescribed it late in life, when their natural levels were dropping, and probably noticably in the gym, cant burn off the flap and get those ripped abs in a month, can't shoot a stream into their ol lady eye....luck to dribble onto her belly button....ya know...LMAO....

    Point being....it should be monitored to the extreme, and levels should never be allowed more than 2X the norm 1.1:1!

    USADA, and the NSAC, CSAC, NYSAC DCAC, etc have ridiculously low testing parameters. 6:1 in the extreme before a fighter even shows a positive result. 5:1 in NV, 4:1 in NY, 4:1 in DC, 3:1 in Cali. Just guesstimating on memory.
    I know Lamont Peterson passed the DC testing, but when VADA came into play.....he promptly outed.
     
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