True or False: Floyd never defeated fighters as great as Crawford, Stevenson, Davis, Ennis, orSpence

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You say it was always a mismatch, but Floyd obviously thought otherwise.

    Floyd ran from the fight.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I said that they weren’t dominating top fighters.

    They’re not dominating a division either, until they’ve faced each other.
     
  3. EddieLima

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    Wrong. Floyd faced the best he could face at his time. Of the ones you mentioned I only rate Crawford. Tank needs some marquee wins and the other two are too green now, great potential but we need to wait and see
     
  4. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Disagree. Paul Williams was great at fighting on the inside and gad top ten workrate. There's a reason Floyd ducked him
     
  5. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Pernell, Benitez, and Tito are ATGs i dont see why Spence and Crawford aren't
     
  6. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

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    Live in your fantasy world fanboy and believe what you wish.
     
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  8. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Paquiao ran from the fight all he needed to do is take the same test as all these fighters took
    1)Marques
    2)Ortiz'
    3) Mosley
    4) Cotto
    5)Canelo
    6)Guerroro
    7)Maidana twice
    All these guys took the test and tadaaa they got a fight. Who didnt take the test paquaio and he did not get a fight until then. You can talk that on instagram or tictok but on here we followed this situation day by day and each negotions ended with no test to day of the fight, no fight.

    Yes Mayweather did think that, if you look here someone posted the dialouge from 2009 negotiations. paquaio was awarded ring size glove size 5050 split and paquaio decline the drug test. No one ran from this fight but paquaio
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

    Everything you have typed above is nonsense.


    First of all, back during those first round of negotiations, the boxing landscape was very different than what it is now.

    None of Manny’s opponents had an issue with testing him in the way that Floyd did.

    Floyd also never demanded that any of his other opponents should be tested in that same manner.


    Floyd’s Uncle Roger then got into Floyd’s head, telling him wild stories of how he thought that Manny was taking A-Side Meth, which was supposedly given to the soldiers in the Vietnam war. He told Floyd that because Manny had moved up the weights and knocked out bigger opponents, that he must be taking PEDS.

    Floyd then started insinuating that Manny was guilty, and that he wanted him to do random OSDT.

    Manny then said that he would comply to it, but he wanted a cut off of a month. His reason for that was because in an early 2005 fight with Erik Morales, they took his blood during camp, but then somehow misplaced his sample. He was then asked for another sample to be given just before the fight. He then gave the sample, but said afterwards that he’d felt weakened by it during the fight.

    Floyd said that he’d grant him a cut off period, but not for the period of time that he wanted. They then went back and forth, failing to reach a compromise on the number of days. In the end, Manny succumbed to Floyd’s number of cut off days, which would have also included after fight blood and urine samples.

    Now this was the first huge red flag here:

    Because instead of trying to make the fight after he’d got what he wanted, he suddenly turned it down flat, stating that the cut off days were no longer on the table.

    So that’s how badly Floyd wanted the fight.

    Now regarding the cut off period, if you’re knowledgeable of PEDS, you’ll know that the fighters who take them, actually cycle them OUT of camp, and then STOP taking them during camp. That’s how you get the benefit. So the cut off period shouldn’t have been an issue at all. Because even IF Manny had been guilty, he wouldn’t even have taken anything during his camp.


    The saga then dragged on and on, where Floyd tried to pay Manny a flat fee, for the entire share of PPV revenue, from a fight that grossed over $300m.

    So once again, Floyd had moved the goal posts.


    Then in 2013, Manny publicly declared that he’d comply to every testing demand, including up until the day of the fight, which was what Floyd had always wanted.

    Bingo!

    Yet did Floyd try and make the fight at that point?

    No.

    Even though that we were lead to believe that the drug testing issue was the major stumbling block, the fight still didn’t happen, even when Manny had publicly agreed to it.

    So that was the second huge red flag.

    As we know, the fight still didn’t happen until May, 2015.

    So any knowledgeable fan knows that it was never really about the testing.


    Two final things for you to ponder:

    1: If Floyd had really wanted to have cleaned up the sport, he’d have used WADA/VADA, for random, all year round testing, instead of USADA, who literally let him put whatever he wanted into his fight contract, which literally included a retroactive TUE, what he ended up needing/using.

    2: The irony of the whole 5/6 year saga, is that when they finally did fight, Floyd was found to have taken an illegal IV in his Nevada home, which he and USADA purposely didn’t report to the NSAC. An IV that was, and still is, banned by both WADA and VADA, as it’s a known masking agent to flush out a cycle of PEDS. And Floyd administered that in his own home, instead of in a proper medical facility, as per official protocol. And the NSAC, who hosted the biggest fight in the history of the sport, literally had no knowledge of Floyd’s IV, until 3 weeks AFTER the fight had taken place.


    So: Manny never actually refused the testing outright. He just wanted a cut off period. And after 5/6 years of racial abuse and slander, it actually turned out that Floyd was the one who was guilty of taking PEDS.
     
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  10. steviebruno

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    Take steroids and get offended when people ask you to get tested for steroids. LMAO.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    WTF?
     
  12. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Oooooohh nothing... boxers routinely gain 20 lbs of muscle and maintain speed and endurance while becoming more powerful.

    Nothing to see here... ;)
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    That has nothing to do with the statement that you made before.

    Also, Manny didn’t do that overnight, and there’s never been any actual proof of any wrong doing.

    Floyd on the other hand……
     
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  14. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    @steviebruno
    His fight night weight at 147 was almost the same as it was when he was fighting at 126 the only difference was that he didn't had to kill himself to make weight at welter as he did at feather.

    As for him being more powerful thats complete rubbish just look at how Many KOs he had at 147 and you will see that's not the case at all.

    But hey you a Floyd fan boy your ilk doesn't handle Facts well
     
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  15. Chuck Norris

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    We're in the end of 2023, and people are still arguing about Mayweather-Pacquiao. :ohno
     
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