Truly Great Heavyweights

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  1. janitor

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  2. McGrain

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    No. That's just a wee snippet from "A Flame of Pure Fire" (I think it was called) - Dempsey, living it up instead of defending his title had a bit of an open house as far as busted fighters went. A wee bit of cash and something form the kitchen. His Mrs. didn't like it.

    It's hard to think of a fighter that was held in higher regard by his peers. That a seeming savage like Dempsey could admit to his expecting to lose against Langford astonishes me. I mean I know Dempsey thrived off fear, but that there was different.
     
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  3. Sonny's jab

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    Lewis was claiming to be the best heavyweight in the world when McCall beat him, he wasn't any sort of novice.

    Against Rahman he was the undisputed champion, at the height of his powers. One punch from a mediocre contender.

    Which "great" heavyweights did same thing happen to?
     
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  4. C. M. Clay II

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    If by "truly great" you mean larger than life in image then:

    John L. Sullivan
    Jim Jeffries
    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Joe Louis
    Muhammad Ali
    Mike Tyson
     
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  5. Holmes' Jab

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    Well, Dempsey lost against journeyman Fireman Flynn (beyond question a worse fighter than both. Not a top ranked contender either). Or was that one 'a fix'? :lol:


    I'm yet to be totally convinced that it wasn't a legit defeat.
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

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    If by iced you mean take one suzy Q right hand punch to the head that knocks him out for the count, then I would say yes. Hasim Rahman and Oliver Mccall can attest to that.
     
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  7. ChrisPontius

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    Without the mob's help?

    How can you say that?

    Liston received the verdict in both the Summerlin fights, which could've gone Summerlin's way. He also won a very high number of rounds against Machen on the judges' scorecards, despite barely landing clean. Machen looked fresh afterwards, Liston puffed up, as he was more often.

    Then of course there is the mob helping him with the substance on the gloves... yes, Liston stepped up in competition quickly, but the judges were on his side.
     
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  8. Jack Dempsey

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    *ahem*

    <<<
     
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  9. Holmes' Jab

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    ... well if Walcott hurt and decked Marciano early on, a superior puncher and finisher like Lewis could sure close the deal. Heck quite a few lesser fighters were outboxing Marciano up until they got taken out. It wouldn't come to that in this case though, Lewis with his size, speed and power would take Rocky out early.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Greb?
     
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  11. Jack Dempsey

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    Behave
     
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  12. Sonny's jab

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    The relevant difference with Lewis's case is that Dempsey was not a contender at the time of his defeat to Flynn, he was just a poorly managed young fighter.

    Lennox Lewis was at the top of the tree when he got KO'd.
    He was the Lennox Lewis we're supposed to believe was something special, a world titlist or undisputed champion.
     
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  13. Irish Steel

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    Thats what I was thinking. Dempsey pretty much modernized the HW division, and had the best head movement for a HW ever.
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    WELL IF? "if" "if" "if"


    Fact remains lennox was knocked out by one punch by two B level fighters. If you look at lennox record, you would see he had drastic trouble finishing off short fighters in early rounds. Too pick him by early kayo over marciano is laughable.


    one right hand from marciano and its boom lights out for lennox "no recup powers" lewis.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    The opposite is true too though.
     
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