Truly Great Heavyweights

Yes, and with 3 point deductions that makes Machen the winner.

 

Well, Rahman has been Ko'd b4 Lewis did, Maskaev did it 2 times b4 and after....Guys like Holyfield,Tua,Zelco,Levi Billups,Vitali and McCall did not go down to Lewis's power so it was not like the great punch that levied Rahman would be a weapon against others without leaving himself open to be countered. I love Lewis's offence but he nor Marciano could only rely on power to make them great.

 

Liston quit one fight then was stopped with one lil punch the next. All this after his two best wins. Never avenged. It's easy top hammer on the negatives.

 

On top of that, he was out cold too after one single punch. He was 37 years old by then, but at the same time, Lewis was 35 against Rahman, and i'd consider Rahman a harder puncher than 195lbs Martin too.

 

Someones got to point out when things get silly, and if mirror like shallow minded counter attack is needed, well......

 

I can see judging Johnson against Dempsey off the film. But do we have enough decent film of Jeffries to actually judge him inferior to Dempsey on the basis of the films?

 

Do i really need to dig up post fight reports from newspapers/ring experts scorecards of machen/liston or are you going to concede liston untcontroversially won the fight?

 

Leotis Martin ranked # 69 on Rings top 100 all time punchers list. where was rahman?

Liston was probably around 39-40 when he fought martin, depending on what birthdate you believe

 

no, film of Jeff is pooor quality

 

I dont think we need film to relie on this type of greatness.

I think Peter Jackson or John L Sullivan might have a case base on there impact on the sport.

To many double standerns in regards to Marciano, If it was Ali instand of Walcott or Holmes instand of Corbett(For Jeff)

But they dont bother to mention Joe Louis in this regard, who got off with the W in a close call because said foe had a lesser chin than Ali.
Might as well thown Louis off greatness because Conn was no Ali or Holmes.
I think people must also rember the Marciano Walcott fight may have had a closer fight had Marciano not been blind, He got off a shaky first round, took over round 3, 4 and 5, won 6th on my card, got blind in round 7, 8 and 9. Took over round ten, Walcott got rounds 11 and 12 could have went either way. It was a real close fight imo. But perhaps Marciano would have been in the lead in the rounds he was blind.