TRUTH — Oscar Says Prime Manny Pacquiao Beats Floyd Mayweather... EASILY.

What you fail to understand is just like you were wrong about the outcome of pbf pac you like most were wrong about who was always the faster fighter of both hand and foot. Pac would have always been the slower fighter in the ring anytime of their careers. Pbf has faster reflexes than pac and can throw one punch faster than pac can which is more useful in a boxing match it allows you to beat your opponent to the punch and then get back out of range you can control your opponent making them weary add to that atg counter punching and it becomes even worse.

Pac can throw in combination faster which is fine when you're in there with someone who's there to be hit but against someone who's not it's almost worthless. A good jab the ability to counter and beat pbf to the punch are what trouble pbf. Zab was stylistically a harder match up for pbf than pac was simply because he actually could beat pbf to the punch had a good jab and was more of a natural counter puncher.
Lastly pbf clinching was part of his gameplan he did so to tire out the smaller man and frustrate him and it worked. He didnt clinch as much later in the fight if you noticed and won the fight going away.

 

GUFF

 

Yeah I was wrong about Pacquiao-Mayweather, I picked Mayweather to dominate by winning every minute of every round.
…...and I know the difference between quickness and speed. Mayweather is quicker than Mayweather, he gets his shot off quicker than Pacquiao. Their speed is comparable, but because he's so defensive, Mayweather doesn't showcase his speed as much vs an upper echelon fighter.

Because he's quicker and has speed to match, I didn't think Mayweather would need to use holding tactics vs Pacquiao, but I was dead wrong. Mayweather didn't want to give Pacquiao any opportunity what so ever, to the detriment of the viewer who ends up having to watch a bigger stronger fighter put a strangle hold on viewing a real boxing match.

Just be real PimpC, the fight turned out to be a real dud and we all know who's fault that is.
Its Mayweather and fighters like him who get away with excessive illegal tactics like holding.
There is a point where holding just becomes excessive and points should be taken away, it should have in Mayweather-Pacquiao.

 

I disagree. PBF did what he had to do it was Pac that was so easily neutralized and held to a career low punch output and connect % blame him. He's supposed to be this offensive ATG master? Why didn't he simply overwhelm PBF with speed workrate power and angles? I'll tell you why because boxing isn't a video game and he couldn't mount a successful attack and is one-dimensional. PBF had that dude figured out in the first round. Blame Pac for not being good enough to bring out the best in PBF others have done it.

 

@Pimp C

Guy, Floyd and Marquez are both counterpunchers, yes, but that's where their similarities end. Each applies his craft in a completely different way. Floyd's a runner and a spoiler and a wrestler and boxes with the utmost refusal to go to war or trade. JMM, as we have seen throughout his career, WILL go to war. That's the biggest difference — JMM has bigger, meatier, heavier balls than Floyd. Floyd would have been even more cautious had he faced a 2009-2011 Pac and Pac would win on workrate or stop him. STOP using JMM as a measuring stick because JMM and Floyd fight NOTHING alike. But if you must, at least acknowledge that Floyd cheated JMM on scales after dragging him up 2 weight classes while Pacquiao fought the most dangerous, chemically-enhanced versions of JMM in III and IV.

A prime Pacquiao, with his iron chin intact, would kill Floyd.

 

Why go to war just to get dropped take punishment and lose when you don't have to? If anything had JMM not gone to war and just boxed Pac he probably would be 4-0 against Pac but instead he fought dumb fighting Pac's fight and not to his strengths trying to impress fans or some dumb code of his and got dropped while trading with Pac. That's not smart that's dumb and that's why he lost period end of discussion. PBF is not going to fight to the other man's strengths he's the ring general and is in control. This isn't tough man it's the sweet science the art of hitting and not getting hit and PBF was the master of it. When will you realize this?

A prime Pac was still getting his **** pushed in by a faded EM and going life and death with JMM. If anything those versions of Pac who were less complete and even more one dimensional would be even easier work for a prime PBF who could stay on his bike for a full 12 rounds and make Pac look silly. PBF beats any version of Pac better and more complete, deal with it.

 

You either haven't seen the Marquez-Pacquiao fights, or you don't know what a war is.

Marquez didn't war with Pacquiao in any of the fights but that last one where he put Pacquiao to sleep.
It actually benifited Marquez to go to war with Pacquiao as that took it away from the judges hands.

In fight 1, after the first 2 rounds and getting acclamated to Pacquiao's speed level, Marquez propinated a boxing clinic on Pacquiao like Mayweather hasn't done to any top echelon fighter.
Marquez didn't go to war here, he propinated a thorough boxing clinic.

Fight 2 was more of the same, only Marquez did get dropped in the early rounds for being overzealous with his combinations. He does like throwing combinations in multiples, which is the reason Pacquiao was able to time and nail him with a shot to drop him.

Now fight 3 is where it effects your stance that Marquez warred with Pacquiao. You said had Marquez not gone to war with Pacquiao he'd probably be 4-0.
WRONG!
Fight 3 proved that. By his own admission, Marquez said going into that fight that his mindset going into the fight would be to try and not get into situations that would make him vulnerable and get dropped.
He did that by cutting down on his combination throwing from 4's and 5's, to throwing 2's and 3's.
The window of opportunity for Pacquiao was much more narrow in that 3rd fight because Marquez employed that strategy. That gave Marquez an earlier opportunity to pivot away and move his waist and head away from Pacquiao's punches much sooner.
The result was that Pacquiao rarely landed a clean shot on Marquez in that 3rd fight, still the judges gifted Pacquiao.
So you see, it didn't matter whether Marquez strictly boxed or came to trade harder shots, the decisions were always going to go to Pacquiao
If Marquez had employed a clinchfest strategy like Mayweather did, believe me, the ref would have admonished Marquez for excessive holding and taken points away. That decision would have gone against Marquez because his name is Marquez and not Mayweather.
That fight Pacquiao lost to Jeff Horn, had that been anywhere but in Horn's backyard, Horn would have had points taken away for excessive holding, because he's Jeff Horn and not Floyd Mayweather.
Certain fighters like Mayweather are allowed to get away with more than others, and that is an absolute fact.

My opinion is that refs should implement the rules and not allow holding to dictate the flow of a fight.
The way Marquez did it in fight 3 vs Pacquiao is the proper way to box.
For a fighter to repeatedly get himself into clinches as a way to prevent the other from being able to get off his punches, affects the flow of a fight and that fighter should be warned and have points taken away if he keep using those tactics.

The holding and clinching Floyd Mayweather and Jeff Horn used vs Pacquiao were both excessive, there is little Manny Pacquiao can do under those circumstances as both times he's the smaller fighter being held by bigger, stronger fighters.

 

I've seen all 4 fights many times, what I should have said is that he slugged and traded far too much when he did not have to. He was able to control Pac with his footwork taking small steps timing him with his right hand and countering him, Pac really had no answer for his right hand. He could have and without a doubt should of done it all night. The problem he had is when he decided to trade and got caught up in Pac's game and Pac got the better of it. He also lacked the reflexes and mobility despite having excellent technical educated footwork to be able to get out of the way or out of range like PBF can without getting caught. PBF has better reflexes and can match or better Pac in foot speed and can outmanuever him around the ring.

Jeff Horn fouled and roughed up Pac there's a big difference in what Horn did and what PBF did. Horn dwarfed Pac in the ring and treated him with no respect and fouled held and mauled. PBF used strategic clinching to neutralize Pac's offense at times he wasn't fouling him nor was he mauling him.

 

Better reflexes, mobility, footwork, the height and reach to be able to stay back and still be able to reach Pacquiao. All these physical attributes in Mayweather's favor and yet he still feels the need to tie Pacquiao up in a clinch everytime Pacquiao is in punching distance.

Where was Mayweather's footwork, his pivots to evade and fire???
Where was his ability to guage, time and fire so that he didn't need to tie up Pacquiao?
Its called boxing, not wrestling.

…...again, a tie up here and there strategically during a fight is not a biggie for me, but the amount of it that Mayweather employed vs Pacquiao was excessive.
So excessive that Mayweather did not show me he was the superior boxer vs Pacquiao.
Anytime there's little clean punching in a fight, it means someone has either turned runner or wrestler, Mayweather did a little of both, but more wrestling.
Not nearly enough boxing to satisfy the educated boxing fan that he's the superior boxer.

 

Pbf dictated the tempo of the fight landed the cleaner harder shots landed more shots beat him in every punch stat catagory known to man, neutralized pacs offense and won the fight 9-3 at worst. Jmm never was that dominant over pac in fact the one fight he did win he was behind on the cards. What the hell do you mean he didn't outbox pac? He didnt have to get out of first gear it was easy work. Kinda like you know when he outboxed jmm and shut him out. LMFAO!

 

Pimp youre a good guy & you know your boxing but you seem blind when it comes to Floyd. The whole May/Pac scenario SUCKED
Pac was denied LEGAL Toradol While Floyd was allowed his usual ILLEGAL Xylocaine Wonder if he ticked the box ?? LOL
Floyd CHEATED with his ILLEGAL EXCESSIVE 750 ml of saline. If he was dehydrated then I'll be the next Mr Universe. We all know why he cheated
too. The NSAC's retroactive TUE only further proved their corruption
In a straight on the level fight back in 2007-2009 Pac would have kicked Floyd's ass

 

Of course he dictated the tempo, he dead stopped any kind of tempo every time he put a bear hug to Pacquiao.

…...and I could pick 2 or 3 rounds in each of Marquez' fights with Pacquiao and say that Marquez did more clean punching in 2 to 3 rounds than Mayweather did in the whole 12 rounds with Pacquiao.

If what Mayweather did vs Pacquiao you call boxing, then I say John Ruiz is the best Heavyweight of his generation. LOL!

 

It's all hypothetical at this point and doesn't really matter since Floyd has wins over both Oscar and Pacman. Oscar obviously isn't a big fan of Mayweather so he usually goes out of his way to denigrate his accomplishments in the ring any chance he gets.

I've always maintained that no fighter who's smaller than Floyd can beat him outside of maybe Duran (and that's a huge maybe.) If Floyd is the naturally larger man, taller and with a longer reach, I don't like anyone's chances against him in the history of the sport. It's a long list of great fighter's- especially from 126-135- but I wouldn't favor a single individual over him if they're naturally smaller than him, including Manny.

A lot of these hypothetical matches people speculate about Floyd losing is usually against guys who started 3 or 4 weight classes higher than him, i.e. Robinson, Leonard, Hearns. I don't hear many people talking about who could've beaten him at 130 lbs when he was at the peak of his powers, especially at the tail end of his reign at SFW.

 

Ruiz? LMFAO! PBF is 10000000 light years more skilled than Ruiz not really even worthy of a response.

Too bad for you JMM got dropped by Pac too many times to count in those fights he was never as dominant as PBF was over Pac period end of discussion. Let me know, when did he beat Pac 9-3 at worst in a fight? Listen, I'm a JMM fan he's an ATG and one of the best fighters of the era but he's no PBF and there's no shame in that.

 

A prime Azumah Nelson is going to give Floyd hell. You can count on that. Yea he's only 5'4", but he will be coming all night long. And he's a step up or rather multiple steps up from Jose Luis Castillo.

Erik Morales if he boxes smart can beat him. Morales is just as good if not better fighter than FMJ from the mid range.

Chavez Sr. is clearly a live dog against FMJ. He might have even been favored.

Marcel and Duran also stand pretty damn good chances as well.

Also, Mayweather has never fought a top prestige fighter in their prime. So we don't know how he would look on that level for sure. It's not like he fought Mosley and DLH when they were on top. He fought the shells.

You talk about FMJ like he busted up on elites at 130. When he did not. Plenty of fighters have far better wins at 130 than FMJ. Like Pacquiao, Duran, Arguello.

Floyd's best win at 130 was Diego Corrales a decent fighter, but nobody special. Do you know Corrales' best win at 130??? It's Robert Garcia. Food for thought.