TRUTH — Oscar Says Prime Manny Pacquiao Beats Floyd Mayweather... EASILY.

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong is smaller than FMJ. And he would tear Floyd's head off.
     
  2. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Pacquiao beat Mayweather. Pacquiao was the aggressor all night long. Pacquiao stunned Mayweather twice and ripped hard shots to the head and body when Mayweather retreated to the ropes. The punches landed in both these sequences probably equaled or exceeded all of the "flush" shots Mayweather landed over 12 rounds. Beyond that, Pacquiao was tit for tat for punches landed in those small pockets of action. Mayweather hugged and wrestled all night.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Stop it! PBF UD #48 now then and forever deal with it.:wave:
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    EM is not beating PBF he couldn't even beat Raheem who was basically the first slick fighter he fought and Raheem was nothing special and chinny as hell. He sucks against some one with movement and not there to be hit.
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    That was at 135 and after he let Pac hit him flush on purpose in the 12th round. And after nasty wars with Barrera.

    2003 Morales is same height and reach as FMJ. Has more power, underrated speed and does not gas out. EM does not have as good as hooks as Mayweather nor as much skill inside.

    But if it turns into a mid range boxing tactical fight Morales could beat him.
     
  6. PistolPat

    PistolPat Active Member Full Member

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    Zab's speed was a factor, but is was his unorthodox strategy that gave Floyd problems. Zab who typically fights in a southpaw stance fought with his lead foot (right) on the inside. He had different set ups to counter Floyd's entry, Zab would use a shoulder/arm block, or step back with his left foot to create space for a right hook, or step inside Floyd's punch and throw a short uppercut. Floyd has most likely never encountered this strategy before because southpaws are taught to fight with their lead foot on the outside, as fighting in that position is just as dangerous for both parties involved.

    Put your foot near a bedpost and step on the inside towards it and you'll notice that your right hand would have next to no room to throw a punch, your lead foot (right) is on the inside of theirs meaning your feet will get tangled if you try to move it to the right, you will also be squared up with your opponent. Zab learnt how to fight from that position which made it difficult for Floyd until he figured out how to beat it. Which was towards the end of the third round.

    Maidana is another example of someone that used a particular strategy that Floyd didn't initially know how to deal with, and it took him close to 5 rounds to figure out a way to beat it. Maidana was able to pressure him to the ropes, then he would come in low and grab Floyd with one hand and throw with the other, or use a wide stance with both his arms on the outside and just start throwing bombs (basically a zero defense stance because he know he could out trade Floyd). Both these tricks made it extremely hard for Floyd to escape the ropes, he did not fight that way because he wanted to make it exciting. Maidana forced him to fight that way.

    He tried multiple methods that were unsuccessful, before using a combination of elbows and forearm blocks to stop Maidana coming in low and trapping Floyd on the ropes, then he would push Maidana away or lean back and land a shot on Maidana. This is why Maidana did not fight the same way in the second fight, because his original strategy was rendered useless.

    It's not physical advantages that bothered Floyd, it's the styles, the traps and other unique tricks his opponents used on him that gave him problems. Physical advantages help, but if you give him time he will come up with a strategy to beat it. Just like how after Mosley landed those two bombs in the early rounds, then never landed anything of note afterwards. A prime Mosley might have done better, however had Mosley accounted for the incoming clinch after hurting him the second time he would have knocked him down, maybe even knocked him out.

    Watch the first two rounds of the Judah fight and you will see for yourself, then you will realize you have no clue wtf you're talking about.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    No no he couldn't this same EM could only beat MAB in 1 out of 3 fights PBF wouldn't lose a round to MAB. He's not outboxing PBF regardless of range he's too slow and can't handle movement his defense is also suspect. I also don't think he has more power than PBF did at 130 it's about the same. PBF is a bad styles match up for him just like he is for damn near everyone.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    EM is the best mid range fighter of his era. Floyd is better long and short range. Morales is not slow hes far faster than JLC, Corrales hes even faster than DLH.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Stop it! He's not faster than Hoya that's ridiculous.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes ye is. DLH is stiff legged.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Are you talking about handspeed or footspeed?
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Foot and even his hands are about the same speed as DLH.

    DLH and Morales are about the same talent and skill level. DLH just far bigger.
     
  13. Huberth

    Huberth Active Member Full Member

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    pac is the only boxer that moved in weight and carry his power, hes a very rare breed, can you show any proof that hes on steroids?
    floyd admitted that he took illegal banned substance iv fluid. thats the FACT.
     
  14. Huberth

    Huberth Active Member Full Member

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    any boxer is all wrong for floyd, because he only fight in vegas.
     
  15. 81ZAR

    81ZAR Dr. Steelhammer Full Member

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    Nope. He would've had more success in his prime, but Mayweather would've still been victorious.