Truthfully How Cam Anyman In The Sport Of Boxing Be Called A Ducker Or Scared?

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These are guys who get in the ring with the intention of putting another man unconscious by punching his face but with the same understanding that the same could be done to him... There is no fighter in boxing right now that should be referenced to as "the most feared" or responsible for making people duck.. i think in boxing there is good business and bad business & high risk low reward & Low Risk Low reward... these are the only factors that keep fighters from facing one another...

    The only fighter that i think we have been witness to that was actually ducked or people feared was mike tyson. Mike Tyson did not box you, in all honesty he fought like his main intentions were to murder you and when certain competition went up against mike tyson i think they were actually fearful for their life.... Right Now there is no one like that... the closest is paul williams but its not because of his fighting style but only because of his natural given attributes (height & length) that people just dont like the look of the match or mismatch so they look else where (not suggesting any one in particular is actually avoiding pwill).


    My point is people need to relax with the... Oh ______ is scared to face____ or the ... oh yeah ____ is a ducker.. Nobody is a ducker and nobody is scared right now in this sport people just make good & bad business decisions. As Joe Calzaghe said in his 24/7 episode after fighting so many time they concept of fear of another man goes away whats the most intimidating is the fear of losing. Which I believe to be true.... so hopefully this thread reaches who it needs to and to those of you who use the word "scared" "ducker" "ducking" and other adjectives that describe a mans fear of another man. just stop and seriously take a second to think about what is really going on.
     
  2. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh... yall must be some walk with me thread duckers... haha
     
  3. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If it hurts boxing then it isn't a good business decision.

    Since the overall success of the sport should be at heart for every fighter (because if boxing is going strong, so will your paychecks) people should be looking to make the best fights there are.

    Ducking is a stupid phrase because very few people actually "duck" others. A lot of the time fights are passed off for better fights or ones that are more relevant to boxing at the time.

    Then there are other occasions where "ducking" hurts the business as a whole. Those instances are truly few and far between though....most of the times things just aren't meant to me.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yeah but the boxers dont give a **** about the state of the sport... all their worried about is their pockets... especially in such a lopsided sport as boxing its very slimy as far as how its organized...
     
  5. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then maybe that's why the business is so ****ed right now.

    If the business isn't making money then neither are the fighters. If the business is hot then the fighters have a much better chance of making big purses.
     
  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the business is screwed because nobody wants to take the risk on the little guys..

    nobody but the big guys are getting promotion and the fans screw up because they have to give that attention to the little guys...
     
  7. tysonlewisbook

    tysonlewisbook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    May was guilty of ducking Margarito because at first he said he would fight him if Bob showed him the money, then he said he'd punish him for being a D level fighter, it would be easy work. But then when the fight was in his face - three separate offers before Baldomir came available, May came up with all kinds of excuses to duck it. The Arum card, who is Margarito, who has he beat to deserve a fight, it's about legacy, it's about money, we're not fighting to see who is the best, I may go to MMA, I may go to wrestling, I'm retiring, etc. So May's big mouth caused his ducker/handpicker label to become world renowned. He also called Cotto a punching bag and that Cotto would never want to fight me. Again, Cotto then stepped up and wanted the fight but May ducked it. Other examples Tommy Burns hiding from Jack Johnson, and actually Holyfield saying he wanted unification but kept stalling in agreeing to unify with Lewis, until he finally did in '99. It seemed like Holy was hoping Lewis would lose.
     
  8. tysonlewisbook

    tysonlewisbook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Like Mike Spinks didn't look scared of Tyson or Joe Gatti didn't look scared by Terry Norris? Both lost by KO 1.
     
  9. Lance_Uppercut

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    Spinks looked terrified of Tyson to be frank. I was a punk when they fought, but felt bad for Spinks. Just the look on his face told the whole story.
     
  10. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    fam nobody in boxing is a ducker.... if you want to say floyd was scared to lose is 0 im fine with that but floyd has no reason to be scared of margarito.... its not like margarito is some big scary intimidating fighter.... nobody in boxing ducks.. get over using that word already

    if you really want to get technical.... floyd offered the fight with i think 3-4 months prepartion (i just heard this recently) and margarito is the one who turned it down so lets be serious who is really the one ducking here?!

    nobody in boxing is a ducker... you have bad business and good business thats it...
     
  11. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Floyd kinda offered the fight to Margarito, well, if you can really call it an offer. But he said he'd fight him right before Margarito was going to have a fight. Did he try to make it again AFTER Margarito's fight? Nope. It was more a 'face saving' offer. Sorta like Goosen paying Floyd 8 mill and 1.
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    only fighter who literally had the power to put fear in mens hearts are

    - mike tyson
    - george forman

    atleast off the top of my head those are the only guys i can remember.. you basically have to be a really large man and be a murderous puncher other wise .... your not scary
     
  13. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The little guys become big guys through promotion AND epic fights that turn them into big time players.

    Berto could be a big guy if he fights Mosley or Cotto or Margo. You need a little bit of everything (luck included).

    If Berto expects to become a big guy fighting dudes like Collazo, Hlstchwayo or some unknown 147 lbs he's ****ed.
     
  14. Arriba

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    Roberto Duran?

    Tommy Hearns?
     
  15. turbina

    turbina Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think that in many of the situations boxer A is ducking boxer B because he is scarred, but because it may be a bad career move at the time, and he is scared he may lose, therefore losing money, etc. etc. But I don't think it is ducking for the fear of getting hit, or beat up... although in some instances I am sure if one fighter is confident he would get beat up, then I can see him being hesitant to engage.... but then again if his confidence is that low, he is in the wrong field.