Trying to Bulk up

Genetics play a huge part IMO

Joe Cal could never get a pack like D Haye for instance, most people cant especially with keeping that kind of muscle

 

Do you think Joe fits this criteria and would you classify him as having abs ?

Technically maybe but he is most certainly not what people expect when they think of visible abs and he has very little if at all even when dehydrated and making weight also

 

Calzaghe is a boxer that probably eats healthy but doesn't particularly watch what he eats. His aim is to get through his training, not to have abs. If somebody sits down and works out exactly what to eat and when then that person will eventually get visible abs, however they look on that individual.

I can give you a lot of examples of people that do what I said above and have very defined abs...

 

You dont think Joe Cal with his money nutrition training and finally his pre fighing weight fits that criteria though :huh I am most certain it does , sure it works for lots and lots( what u said) but some dont show much and thsi is why genetics play a major role IMO

for the record Joes ABS are somewhat visible but I dont think he can go much further and he says the low weight was killing him:good

 

I think you put too much faith in counting calories.

 

Okay.

 

First off "bulking up" is a poor term and way of thinking.

You are trying to gain LBM ( muscle mass). This takes time, no need to gain any fat as long as you train and eat smart. Remember gaining 10lbs of pure muscle in a year is very good so don't buy into the idea you can gain much more than that.

 

He's saying that if someone sets out with the goal of getting defined abs then it's attainable by anyone.
Calzaghe wasn't aiming to get defined abs he was aiming to be a great boxer and maintain a healthy fighting weight. There's a big difference.

 

Calzaghes nutrition isn't as good as you think, he did have to lose a fair bit of weight to make weight for his fights. The problem with Calzaghe is that he did little strength training and focused more on endurance work, he ran alot of miles. You'll notice that endurance runners retain more fat than power athletes, it's just the way he trained. He did struggle to make weight but his body fat percentage wasn't low. Still his abs look alright imo, behind the body hair and pale skin

 

Here we have ricky Hatton who is notorious for having a bad diet in between camps.

Again proving the importance of genetics

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if you cant get a six pack you gave up too soon.

genetics does not stop you from getting a six pack i garuentee that ever human is born with the required tendons and muscles to have a six pack, actually an 8 pack or a 10 pack even though the small muscles at the top arnt part of the abs. genetics might make it so it takes some people 10 years to get defined abs while others are born with them but genetics will not stop some one thats conistenly trying to get defined abs from getting them.

 

I think you will find many people who run a lot of miles with tremendous six packs , Joshua Clottey as the prime example.

You are severley downplaying the level of fitness bodyfat percentage and prretty much everything else of a world class athelete right now.
Joe has been campaigning at supermiddle for over a decade for god sake, says he kills himself to make weight yet no visible abs,
the fact is that abs are not made i the kitchen or by calorie counting, genetics play a huge part, Joe C cant lose anymore weight,
Do you think he is fat?

 

the whole six pack 8 pack thing is totally defined by genetics:yep

First its about low body fat now it could take 10 years ?
What is your stance is it a certain bodyfat percentage or not ?

 

gram for gram fat is twice the fuel source that carbs are.

 

im not virus and i never said it was defined by low body fat.

if say you did a whole bunch of chrunches as a child but never worked the lower section of your abs its probly going to take you 10 years to bring out your lower ab section to the same point as your upper abs. untill then you look like hatton or arnold with a 4 pack and nothing defined in the lower abs. (to remedy this i allways do my lower ab exercises before the rest of my ab exercises, its all the rectus abdominius so if you work the lower section first your still stressing it when your working your obleques and doing your crunches)

so yes depending on the situation it can take 10 years or even more.

its about alot of things. there is a point where you can get your body fat and have a showing six pack but of course this is relative to the size of your abs as the bigger your abs the less body fat you need to lose. there is no exact % but usually its around the range of 7%-15%