Tua is he shot or never was

Tua has that genetic "Samoan Slobbish" body make-up...... He can't help it......... He'll never be ripped like Arnie Schwarz of 1977........ But yes, folks are right, Tua needs activity, or else he'll surely become "The Blob."

And Tua will become a "Blob" once he goes into complete hibernation in the next few yrs........... I suspect team Tua will milk this ride until Tua hits 40..... Even if Tua gets parked in his title shot against a "K" brother or Evan Fields, team Tua will finish out on the club scene milking it for biscuits and gravy sauce....... Hey, fighters don't wanna go back and drive a cab in the downtown area after they've washed-up in the ring..... Not anymore anyway.......

MR.BILL

 

Jirov was out-working Moorer in '04, but Moorer was setting him up, looking for the moment..... Well, it came---late........

I recall Moorer scored a 9th round TKO over a tuff Jirov......:huh

MR.BILL:hat

 

Its funny Tua and Briggs are pretty much doing the same thing, only Briggs is fighting guys ten levels below Barrett, and he gets Vitali.

 

Yes he did. He was also down big on all 3 cards.

 

Surely, that had nothing to do with the headbutts or cuts that were caused by them.

 

Ya that knockdown they scored in the 3rd round was only headbutt eh? Jirov could be dirty at times with his inside work. Still he was clearly outpointing Moorer for 8 rounds.

 

I agree he was outpointing him clearly, but he landed some blatant headbutts that had Moorer actually flat out freezing in there in pain. Moorer was cut from them as well.

 

I think its safe to say that Vass Jirov was truly never the same after he was schooled a tuff lesson in boxing at 190 pounds back in April of 2003....... When Jirov went up to 200+ pounds, he proved game, but never a solid winner there..........

CHRIST! I have this dull 8 rounder in which he (Jirov) fought a draw with Orlin Norris from circa-2005 or '06....... I never saw either guy duke it again........

MR.BILL

 

Toney-Jirov is one of my all time favorite fights. Counter Punching vs Swarming. Round 12 was unbelievable.

 

But Briggs has faced and went 24 rds with "Liakhovich & Iggy" over the last 4 yrs.......... Briggs did go 1-1 in them two bouts.......

MR.BILL:bbb

 

I agree......:good I also have touched myself real good and hard during my post-fight reviews of "Toney-Jirov."


MR.BILL:hat

 

In his active prime years he was a regular top 10 fighter. A good contender but he really couldn't reach that next level of success.

Ultimately you have to face the facts, he's 2-2-1 against top 10 opponents. 0-2-1 against top 5. He's a conqueror of prospects and fringe contenders, most never did much, some like Ruiz went on to become belt holders many many years later, or some like Oleg were simply hot and cold to begin with.

Probably his best win was a controversial come behind stoppage of Rahman.

"I believe this was a very bad stoppage."

"I agree"

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And there you have it, the hight point of Tua's career.

**** H2H, just chin and weight scale worshipers pretending they can analyze a fight.

 

A guy with bad footwork is only going to go so far and they are going to need optimal matchmaking to get wins. Tua would have to improve markedly to even hit the plodder stage.

 

Nah, he was better than your describing. Think if Don King promoted him and he became champion and got the shot to defend his title against guys like Vaughn Bean, John Ruiz, Oleg Maskaev, shot Holyfield, Mike Moorer, and the some of the other guys he beat at their respective best, Izon, Rahman, Ibeabuchi (argueably), etc. He would have been held in much higher regard. The bottom line is he was not with the right promoter, and came up pretty tough compared to his classmates. He was just as good or better than the rest of his mediocre class.