Tua, Parker, Ugonoh - similar problems, common denominator?

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  1. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NakiFan Proud Kiwi Guy Full Member

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    I listened carefully what Kevin was saying. I don't believe KB is to blame, as he was spot on with the clear instructions he was saying.
    "Don't step back and hang around infront".
    "Double up the jab, it will open up things
    "Work your way in, use the angles getting out, look for openings".

    Joe really just went thru the motions after the mid rounds. That was the most frustrating thing for me. He must of felt he was against the scorecards, he had to beat the champ to be the champ...He needed to leave it in the ring.
    Was it the ref pulling him apart that stifled his rhythm? Maybe.
    I just think AJ played it safe and JP just didn't do enough. Im gutted, but excited to watch his journey start again later in the year.
     
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  3. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think Barrys good for Parker. Seem a genuinely close team
     
  4. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ive been critical of Barry in the past but his tactics and advice in this fight were the right ones but Parker wasnt following them well.

    Post fight parker said joshua didnt hit hard so hes got this glassed jawed guy who doesnt hit hard yet hes content to stand on the end of the jab?
     
  5. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never ever go past the fact that Parker has not developed any further in the last 2 years. Ive watched all his fights and no improvement. None. Zero. Thats why we never comment on any improvements because their is none. Thats all we know.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He would have boxed rings around Wilder I feel he was nervous of AJ`s power and it was mentioned before the fight that Parker only ever fights in bursts and has stamina issues I feel both men were wary of gassing themselves out, specifically AJ because of the Wlad fight, he hesitated a lot v Takam also I think the Wlad fight has made him gunshy, I feel Parker has the ability on his night to beat any heavy in the world.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    They both should have doubled the jab every time, it was all one punch here and one punch there maybe they can both learn from this, since they were both wary of the counter when they jabbed they should have studied Louis he used to parry with his rear hand as he jabbed that would of been crucial on Saturday.
     
  8. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Barry is giving the right advice but Parker isnt able to do it, does that make a good team?

    Ok, so lets say its Parkers fault he cant follow Barrys instructions, is that a good team? Is it a team when someone says 'not my fault, his fault he couldnt follow...'
     
  9. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes he has clearly levelled out in terms of boxing development

    What is really needed to take his performance to the next level is some advanced “diet and nutrition”. It’s clear he is neglecting that area.

    I assume he realises a UD loss sets him up for more pay days whilst going for the win he might get knocked out and that means obscurity.

    He could fade into obscurity anyway due to the fact he is from New Zealand.
     
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  10. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some fighters just don’t listen to advice or they take the advice they want to take. In fact it’s the norm in boxing as ultimately you are alone in the ring and it’s your safety at stake.

    An extreme example of that is Eubank Jr, who has no one giving him advice at all because he is a deluded arrogant idiot.
     
  11. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just want a new trainer for Parker or keep Barry and bring in someone that can contribute hugely to young Joes development.

    We will see the exact same Joe as long as Barrys getting him to do the rattlesnake jab and the 1 1 2. Thats all Joe does and Im sick of it. Im absolutely not happy about what I saw yesterday and changes are for the better
     
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  12. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah I understand and youre absolutely right. Fighters dont listen sometimes. I remember Manny Steward made Klitschko listen and the Klitschko listened and executed. If Barry says 'oh he wont listen' then thats not a team. The teacher that cant get through and so we should just except it. Manny Steward could though.

    The thing for me is - Joe said before the fight that they just gotta stick to Barrys plan. Well there was his plan.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The Parker fight was much closer than Tua v Lewis, Tua`s arms were too shrt he wouldn`t have done well v AJ, he couldn`t use the jab and evade Lewis`s jab like Mike Tyson used to when he was trained by Rooney, if Parker had a trainer in the style of a Rooney he could of beaten AJ and so would Tyson if he didn`t get caught, I feel Parker`s chin may have been better than Tyson`s though, that`s something to consider I feel.
     
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  15. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    He couldnt land the double jab because Joshua was quicker than they had thought. He couldnt get the openings to get to Joshua because Joshua had clocked on to the fact Parker was positioned to counter his big right, his main weapon, so didnt use it freely. Because of both those things Parker could not set the pace to tire Joshua out and he couldnt walk through Joshuas punches with his iron chin cuz its a great chin but he is not a super hero and Joshuas shots were concusive enough for him to think twice about taking many of them.

    They underestimated Anthony Joshua, his hand speed and his stamina. Based on what they thought they knew the tactics were sound. Although throwing the double jab against somebody with a 6 inch reach advantage is a big ask unless the opponant is really slow and has no jab of his own. I said all along in the build up they were talking about Joshua being slow but he really is not.

    Still, im talking small margins here, all the big players in this division are flawed, he is more than capable of coming back stronger. There is so much him and Barry can take from this fight and Barry certainly seems like a really sound coach and they are all tight knit too. They need to watch this fight back a good few times and focus on 1 aspect at a time. Like i say, small margins lost him that fight he can and hopefully will improve and come back.
     
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