Tua Retires Rather Than Face Welliver! Bring on Oliver McCall!!

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Then again, why are these so-called bigger name fighters not JUMPING at the opportunity to ****ing fight him?

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    It doesn't make any sense.

    Clearly he's not as bad as you and others make him out to be.

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  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Hey man, I'm all for the guy living out his dreams, and if he can land a big fight, good for him. But, it would be better if he stepped up the comp first before calling out Vitali. Today's Tua would actually be a good test for him. If Tua is retiring, why not fight, say, Monte Barrett?
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Zak, he's been calling all of these guys out.

    He's rated in the top 10 by the WBC and WBO.

    If he's such easy pickings, why aren't guys rushing for the chance to fight a ranked fighter?

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  4. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    There you go. If you beat Welliver thats is a top 10 World ranking you could expect!!! Yet no one will take the fight.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly!!

    The only valid excuse for not wanting to face Welliver is money.

    But if MONEY is the issue, then it's clearly NOT a matter of Welliver being a push-over! Because if Chauncy was just some easy win, these guys would STILL jump at the opportunity to beat him for no money, because it can get them ranked and possibly pave the way to landing the Klitschko sweepstakes.

    Something just isn't adding up here.

    The only logical conclusion is that these camps view Welliver as a risky fight, plain and simple, regardless of what any of the keyboard warrior fanboys have to say.

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  6. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Zak, Chauncy's never called out Vitali. He's called out a bunch of guys to try and get to Vitali. Though....when Wlad resorted to grabbing Chisora, Welliver let it be known that he would fight him for a dollar. He also made sure to make it known to Team Povetkin that he would gladly saddle up to go to Russia if they needed an opponent before they settled on Bostice. I'm happy for Bostice and Povetkin is not ducking, but Welliver is serious. He wants a title fight and he is getting road blocked by dudes that he is an interim champion to. 2 f'n years he waited on Tuaman. That is sad man. He is NZ National HW Champion as well. It's crazy.
     
  7. eazym1979

    eazym1979 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    why would the top ten guys fight him, if they win they gain nothing

    Welliver not even a top thirty heavyweight and he is indeed ranked

    by the wbc and wbo but look who your talking about. the wba gives

    two world titles in the same weight division and the wbc is easily the

    most corrupt of the boxing organizations. plus man its hard to be

    seen as a top heavyweight when his best when was over rob

    calloway
     
  8. China Rich

    China Rich Active Member Full Member

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    Rumsfeld - My beef is not with Chauncy, who I do believe is a capable enough fighter and who, in this arid heavyweight landscape, could conceivably capture a title if the K Bros weren't around I just have a problem with the TS' incessant nut-hugging of his boy...

    Welliver has shrewdly collected regional titles and acquired a couple of top ten ratings, he has also exploited a developing boxing market to maximise his earning potential: these are both clever moves. I don't believe he'd beat either Klitschko but I do think he has the measure of most of the contenders out there, I would just like to see him really step up and be counted. Maybe he is being avoided by others jockeying for position and protecting their ranking - I can't know that for sure either way - but I'd like to see him in with a Thompson, an Arreola or a Chambers...
     
  9. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    WBC and WBO...#1 NABF #1 Native Ameican Boxing Council #2 NABU, they are off by 1 slot. :think
     
  10. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    To be honest, I beleive there is a conspiracy to hold down White and Native American Heavyweights. Why is Joe Mesi banned from boxing when neurologists say Mesi is at no more of a risk then any other fighter?

    There is no evidence at all that when you have had one extremely small hematoma the size of a pencil point, which dissolved on its own, that you are at any more risk of that type of injury to occur again.
     
  11. Zakman

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    Dear god man, you're not on this hype train too? Look at the guy's record!!! What is there for any rated fighter to gain?

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=50877&cat=boxer

    Welliver needs to get some fights against gatekeeper types before taking on real top rated opposition. Like I said, a fight with Monte Barrett would be ideal.
     
  12. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Once The Adamek Express was derailed, Rummy needed a new ship to sail against The Klitschkos. :bbb

    Everything is possible....remember the Miracle on Ice in 1980? Chauncy is a favorite compared to that team against those monsters.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpiM6OhaOE[/ame]
     
  13. eazym1979

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    well said man, look welliver not any good at all and his record backs that

    up he's not fought anyone and the one time he did against solis he was

    a disgrace. if he can be someone who has a pulse then maybe he can

    be seen as a best a fringe contender
     
  14. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    A disgrace? He was called with 10 days notice to face an Olympic Champion on 1 of the biggest HW cards of the decade. Vitali came back that night and all of the great HW's were there. The production was off the hook and the HW card was stacked.

    Welliver put on 27 minutes of a damn good show. Solis couldn't do **** with him. He got the most ignorant ref of all times to do what he could not. Seat Welliver. Never down a single time, ripped the F off once. 343 rounds pro, and thousands of top notch sparring rounds and he's never been seated once. Solis has ate that canvas though...1st round style. Chauncy will surely do better than that when he gets Vitali. And in a rematch he will murk Solis. Even with 10 days notice if they want to try to pull a cherry pick again.

    283 Welliver was a step too slow for Solis but never outmatched. 233 Welliver is a step too fast for the Gold medalist. Believe that. :bbb
     
  15. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    Dont even get me started on the Tommy Morrison and Gerry Cooney conspiracy theories!

    Why is it every time there is a White American HW contender they are exploited for money,' bad things happen' to them and they are introduced to heavy recreational drugs which interfere with thier career. Both Morrison and Cooney were doped up out of their minds while they were fightin.