Tua v Frazier?

I wonder, do people just really like Tua or really dislike Ruiz? Or is that too simple a view

 

Tua was a one trick pony who could easily be tamed by a jab and movement, I am talking a in shape Tua up to the Ike fight but Frazier does not jab , he comes straight at you and stays at you , no fancy angles or jab and grab and he is no defense wizzard, even in his wins his face looked like a moon crater from all the shots he took.

If Tua can sustain a record work rate in the Ike fight, he can show similar attributes against Frazier.

Frazier is 1-4 in his signature wins, twice bounced around like a bowling ball against a heavy puncher and Tua , for all purposes, is a very heavy handed puncher by my standards.

The saying goes you do not hook with a hooker but this is exactly how this fight would play out and I am going with the heavier handed hooker who was never off his feet in his prime, it eventually happened when he was grossly out of shape and stone old but for this fight he got the far superior chin and frazier goes to sleep before 5.

For historical purposes Frazier is the superior fighter but head to head, prime vs prime Tua is all wrong for him and so is Mike Tyson, except Tyson would finish the job much quicker.

 

I'll cast my lot with the Frazier camp

 

Tua gets eaten alive. Tua was slow as molasses and had an extremely low work rate and mediocre stamina.

 

You should do stand up...

Ike and Tua threw 1730 shots combined over 12 with Tua launching 750 of his own...if that is considered low work rate what do you consider high at Heavyweight ..........1730/750 punches translates to mediocre stamina.....on what planet ?

 

I gotta go with the Tuaman. Only a crazy guy can go toe to toe with Tua, like Ibeabuchi.

 

You can make an argument for either guy, but every statement you just made is manifestly False.
Tua had average speed, though like Smokin' Joe & most everyone when he got older & heavier he was slower.
Tua only had a low work rate in a few fights. Such as against Lewis, & unless he lied, he had a serratus (side rib cage) injury, & was stupid not to delay the fight.

Tua participated in a couple of the highest work-rate fights EVER.
His bout with Ike still is the #1 most punches EVER landed for any HW bout.
Even though it is in the era of only 12 round fights!
If it went 15 Tua likely finishes him, Ike won a close, deserved decisions by winning the early rounds.

Tua had very good stamina, & was bailed out of fights by latre KOs.
His power, stamina & chin were between excellent & Top Notch.
He was like a more compressed Max Baer.
Both were not dedicated enough for much of their careers, but had tremendous gifts.

 

Tua’s work rate was low and his stamina was shown many times to not be what it needed to be. Tua was entertaining and I enjoyed watching him in his prime, but Tua was well known for being lazy and most of his performances against top competition showed why he never achieved anything close to his potential. Also, the Ibeabuchi fight proved my point, since besides Tua having a few good moments Ibeabuchi dominated that fight due to his work rate, timing, and stamina all being superior to Tua’s.

Also, I left out Tua’s timing in my other post, which was also never that great as well, so despite him being both durable and a good puncher it’s laughable to pretend Tua was like a Mike Tyson or a Joe Frazier, who at one period in their careers were able put everything together and realize their potential while Tua despite his talent proved throughout his entire career he lacked the discipline to be a champion.

Also, work rate doesn’t just mean punches thrown, since the punches need to be effective. Most of Tua’s work rate was ineffective against Ibeabuchi, which is why he lost.

 

This is looking at Tua through rose-tinted glasses. When did Tua ever prove to have very good stamina. Against top competition his inability to sustain an effective work rate always resulted in him coming up short. Also, most of Tua’s punches weren’t landing on Ibeabuchi, which is why he lost.

Also, both Ibeabuchi and Tua were proven to be slow fighters, since against mobile opponents they were both slow as molasses. However, Ibeabuchi had very good timing and was very good at setting traps to make up for his lack of speed, which is why he was able to beat Byrd while Tua on the other hand, who’s timing and ability to set traps left a lot to be desired, which is why Byrd toyed with him.

 

This.