Tua didn't go into a shell against Ibeaubuchi though and Layne wasn't a 'big man' he was a 190lber, Tua is going to be far stronger and harder hitting than him with a better defense and shorter punches. Marciano fought Layne at close quarters and this would seriously suit Tua. Tua has been in with plenty of big punchers like Lewis, Maskeev, Rahman, Moorer and they have all opted to box safety first Ibeabuchi aside and he went mad after taking Tua's shots I certainly don't see how Layne has better credentials when Tua has wins over Moorer, Rahman, Maskeev, Ruiz and near miss against Ibeabuchi
of course tuaz didntz shell, dats crazy. Him and ike traded for 12 rounds with punches that could kill god! Bam! Bam!!! Bam!!! Tua says "i like that, now try my left hook, ike!" bam! Bam!! "you want more of that, ike!" ike says,"call me mr. President, now get off my plane!" bam! Bam! .........bam!!! ..........................bam!! Bam!!!
Marciano takes this..Tua is becoming over rated......what has he done to make people think that he'll beat a force of nature like Rocky Marciano???
So would I and thats just it, Tua could be outboxed very easily, but not outslugged. These ATG sluggers were smaller and had been knocked down by lessor foes. Tua is a huge puncher and his size and power offsets a lot of their skills.
-Tua's power bailed him out against boxers on the fringe contender level, many of his better victims like Oleg and Rahman were not known for being the sturdiest bunch to begin with. -Even at a puffed up 193 lbs, Jones is naturally a much smaller man than Marciano, fighting at considerably lower weights most of his career. Guy has got one tiny head...lol -All Time Great Champions Walcott and Moore are not lesser foes than Tua by any means.
They are in the power department. Also Marciano wouldnt box at range, he would come at Tua and get hit hard.
Splitting hairs really, Walcott's left hook/uppercut, Tua's left, and Moore's right cross are going to mess anybody up if they can be landed flush or otherwise. You can toss Ezzard Charles in there as well. These are four guys with proven one punch power over opponents of all shapes and sizes. Moore for instance has Koed modern size heavyweight fighters that had up to a 30+ lb weight advantage over him. These fighters all had better means of delivering said power with superior timing and accuracy than Tua. And if Tua's one punch power was truely inflammable than Woodson, Ike, Byrd, and Lewis wouldn't have shrugged them off in the rare events he made decent contact.
rocky easily wins,enough talking about tua hes overrated and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as marciano
He might not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Marciano, but that dosn't mean that we can totaly dismiss his chances.
Moorer= Washed up Charles, Walcott, Satterfield, Thompson, Brion > Ruiz, Rahman, Maskaev, Oquendo, Moorer Layne holds two wins over top 20 ATG heavyweights Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. These are better opponents than anyone David Tua ever defeated. Satterfield, Thompson, Brion, Dunlap, Hall round out a respectable list of contenders. All in All, Layne's resume trumps Tua's.
Mongoose, you make some excellent points about tua struggling on the inside and marciano being able to score a lot of points there. Marciano was a terrific inside fighter, both in skill and in using his leverage. Tua will struggle with Marciano on the inside. One of the big reasons why I favor Rock to outpoint him.