Tua Versus Marciano

People questioning Tua's power are either borberline ******ed or are blind. Watch Tua's KO's he's clearly 1 of the biggest HW hitters ever. Do you muppets actually watch fights, watch Tua's brutal KO's over big men and find me footage that shows Walcott/Layne/Moore hit nearly as brutally, that power that leaves a man brutally knocked cold.

YEs Ruiz has a **** chin, thats why no one could KO him except Tua, not Haye, Holyfield, Valuev, Chageav, Rahman, Toney, Jones, Golota, Kirk Johnson, McCline. Rahman has been KO'd by others, but only big punchers. Moorer/Maskeev didn't have the best chin in the world, but the manner of the KO was sick. Sullivan was out cold in the first with Tua and had previously taken Vitali 9 and wasn't stopped by Klitschko, he quit

Let me turn the question around on you 'who did Marciano KO that had an iron chin' there's Louis, but he was ancient by then and already stopped by an ex LHW. Practically all Rocky's opponents had been KO'd quicker by other men. And I'm not saying Rocky wasn't a puncher, but your logic is borderline ******ed, now go and **** your cucumber

 

Light punching David Tua

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A little rough at the end but a very honest post ...

 

Using 250 pound 6'5" Lennox Lewis style as a barometer as to how Tua would match up against a 180 pound pressure fighter is moronic.

 

1. What about Cleveland Williams? or rated contenders Lee Oma, John Holman?

2. Baker was the # 3 rated heavyweight in the world. He was a lot better than the unrated washed up version of michael moorer which tua destroyed(i watched it live...brutal)

 

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Marciano would get killed after a left hook miss by Tua! Thread is a joke! Rocky was too small (190 pounds plus) and more worryingly, TOO ****IN AVAILABLE!

 

WHO THE **** PICKED MARCIANO BY KO??????????????

Kill yourselves!

 

Are you attempting to claim bob satterfield did not hit as hard as most heavyweights?

Experts would disagree with you.


"Throw out the record book on Layne, he was a rugged brawler with a quick, very heavy right. As he got shopworn and discouraged, more and more, he got outworked and beaten down.

But, when he first raged out of Utah -- full of **** and vinegar -- he'd have been a handful for anybody. He could crack with that right." - Boxing Historian Joe Rein aka John Garfield on ESB


In the October, 1950 issue of Ring, Nat Fleischer had this to say about Layne:
“Layne looms as the outstanding prospect west of the Mississippi. He is a hard hitter...Layne has what it takes to be developed into the next world heavyweight king. He can hit and has an abundance of courage.”

Rex Layne did not have slow hands. I would say they were above average speed wise.

I would classify the right hand as more of a quick straight right hand than a club. Watch the satterfield kayo on youtube.


"Layne, in his salad days, S, may not've been elegant, but he could drop an ox with his right. That punch was NO JOKE" - John Garfield

This shows me you have understudied Layne. Layne was not in good condition. He went through periods of hardly training. He got by on a lot of natural talent. in a 1970s Ring Magazine article, Layne admited "I wish I had worked harder as a pro in training camp".

Sure, Layne put up a very impressive workrate in the Walcott fight, which according to layne was his "best training camp"...but just imagine if he had trained hard consistently?

Yes. Layne had a very poor defense. This was is one glaring weakness. But he could cover it up very well with his good chin, and fighting heart. Sometimes your offense is your best defense and that is what Layne got by on. I do think because of layne's non existent defense Tua would spark him, but your living on fantasy island if you think Tua will knock him out in 90 seconds.

One thing your forgetting about Layne is his left jab. He had a very good one. perhaps his best assset. Layne outjabbed some good fighters on film. It was quick and accurate.

In your opinion! Most others would not agree with you. Layne was a top young contender, that is a fact. If you can't accept that, then deal with it. You call Firpo a "monsterous murderous" puncher LMAO, but firpo's skills make Layne look like Willie Pep.

Rex Layne defeated Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles, two top 20 heavyweights of all time. Who has David Tua ever defeated that compares to those two? Seems your the one romanticizing Tua, while ignoring huge accomplishments by Rex Layne.

Yes, Joe Louis was a serious test for any young challenger out there, despite being 37. Louis would have jabbed ray mercer's head off the same way a 42 year old larry holmes did.

 

Special Thanks to MarcianoFrazier for this article





THE RIGHT LAYNE
By NAT LOUBET

REX LAYNE, heavyweight challenger, had just added another victim to his collection. Bob Satterfield, Chicagoan, had been raining punches off Rex's cocoanut-like noggin all night. The cherubic-faced Mormon from Lewiston, Utah, fondeled the sore spots. Satterifeld had been laid to rest in 2:56 of the eighth canto when Mark Conn, the arbiter, halted the contest with Bob helples from a short right to the jaw.
The bout had been an even-steven affair up to the knockout, although Layne had received all his punches in one locality- the cephalic, or, as the inmates of Stillman's Gym would have it, the kisser.
It was suggested right after the contest that Rex had youth, strength, could take and give it, had showed improvement in his boxing form since his last two Garden appearances against Jersey Joe Walcott and Cesar Brion, respectively, but that he was still green and needed much seasoning in the technique of boxing.
Marvin Jensen, the mink-raising guardian of Layne's ring fortunes, rushed to the defense. "He can box a lot better than he has shown since coming East. Did you see that boy punch? Ole Rex here sure has what it takes. He's full of fight.
"Yeah," someone said, "but how long will he be full of fight if he doesn't learn how to protect himself better?"
Rex interrupted: "A couple more fights like this and I'll be playing marbles," he quipped.
Regardless of his record, an enviable on of 32 fights with only one loss, that to Dave Whitlock whom he defeated in two other outings, it is clear that Rex will have his greatest trouble with fast men who can move around. He won't lose anything by picking up a little more polish in the finer points of boxing.

REX started his boxing career while a sergeant with the 187th Regiment of the 11th Airborne Division, located in the Asiatic theatre. He had enlisted in September, 1946, and was mustered out in March, 1948. In the interim, he won regimental and divisional titles. He came close to carrying home the bacon in the All-Japan tournaments in 1947 and 1948, and but a lad by the name of Howard Williams kept him from achieving that end.
It wasn't until 1949 that Layne made the simon-pure "big time." In that year he won the National A.A.U. championship and a few months later turned professional. His amateur record stands at 26 fights, with only four losses.
After Layne's unimpressive win over Cesar Brion we were visited by the mild-mannered, bashful, boyish Rex and his enthusiastic manager, Jensen.
Jensen recounted the thrill in seeing the best of the breed come into its own; how he had thrilled in raising the best mink and now he was seeing "ole Rex" become a serious contender for heavyweight honors.
It was less than two years ago that THE RING picked Layne as a comer, and he has kept faith by making the grade.
A group had gathered and someone said, "Rex has a whale of a right, but why doesn't he use his left more?"
Jensen jumped into the breach. "Ole Rex here has a dandy of a left hand but he injured it in an early fight and only recently has he started to develop it again."
Rex cut in with: "That's right. My left is beginning to shape up again. I feel it in my gym workouts, and I'll be using it more as I go along."
In his fight with Satterfield, Rex showed improvement with that left, and better boxing form, but he is still way off in ring science and unless he learns how to protect himself, how to avoid powerful wallops such as he got in the Satterfield bout, he'll fail to reach his objective. He's too wide open for punishment.

JENSEN has been the butt of a great deal of criticism from New York scribes for the manner in which he has brought Layne along. His critics claim that his boy was too green for the likes of a Walcott; should never have been in with an awkward spoiler like Brion, and that Satterfield was too strong a puncher for the Utah youngster.
"He's being fed to the lions," has been the cry. But Layne has defeated all three, and by so doing, he is now in a spot to demand recognition as a top challenger. After all, success is what counts, and Layne has come through with victories. His T.N.T. sock and courage have done that for him.
Critics assert that Jensen has not had the experience in the pro league. Yes, he's developed a bevy of amateurs, but the manager of a big-time professional is different, has been the butt of the criticism.
Well, Jensen had to take more chances than other managers or else not get any matches at all for Layne. He was up against it and has won out. The choices that he accepted have all worked out well for Layne, despite the fact that the opposition was exceedingly tough.
Some claim that Layne must receive expert tutoring in boxing technique, tutorin that an old-timer must give. Well, Jensen has one of the best old-time managers in his corner in Joe Woodeman, former manager of Sam Langford, who should be able to advis properly.
We recall a conversation with Jensen prior to Layne's fight with Walcott in which he stated that he wasn't advancing the easy way. "I'm sure Walcott can be beaten by Rex. I've studied the movies of his previous fights and I know what I'm doing. He continued: "There's too much picking of opponents today. If a man wants to be champ he must prove that right by fighting the best."
Results talk, and Layne is up there, but we would like to see him taught more of the finer points. Continuing to take two to land one is likely to end as Layne himself stated: "A couple more fights like this and I'll be playing marbles."
We were shooting the bull a few days prior to the Satterfield affair. Someone made a crack about how Layne looked too young to be of age.
Joe Woodman said: "He'll be 23 in June." He turned to Layne, who was present. "Right?"
Rex said: "I was born June 7, 1928."
"What time?" someone joshed.
Someone else cut in: "Did you ever do anything else but fight for a living?"
"Sure," laughed Rex. "My father owns a farm in Lewiston and I worked on it until I went into the army."
"Say, Rex," interrupted a bystander, "you're not married, are yuh?"
--------- This goes into a lot of talk about Layne's family and whatever else, so I'll just cut to the end-------
We asked Joe Woodman, who has been close to the youngster, what kind of boy he is.
"A grand lad," said Joe. "He lives a clean life, trains hard and is a good family man-and don't forget... a darn good fighter."
The last time we saw Layne was the day after his fight with Satterfield, when he was in THE RING office with Jensen.
"What's you ambition?" Rex was asked.
"What a question to ask a fighter," he countered. I want to be a champ and some day have a restaurant of my own like Jack Dempsey."
Both Dempsey and Gene Tunney had seen Layne in his fight with Satterfield and were high on him. "Polish up his defense and you have a prospective champ," was their chorus.

 

Anyone else pick Roland Lastarza to make David Tua look silly? think Chris Byrd.

 

This is a tough one. I'd pull for Tua and his left hook.

 

The problem with this statement is that "point" won't determine the winner in this battle of swarmers...

 

Why not? Both have the durability, Stamina, and Heart to last the distance..The better skilled of the two will win on points. Rocky is more skilled than Tua.

 

Maybe, although in all honesty I haven't seen enough of Lastarza to make that call. Tua often got outboxed before he caught up with his man, I never like to bet against a puncher who carries his massive power so late like Tua, just in case he pulls the big 1 out the bank.

 

Read my whole post regarding Williams a last minute sub

Oma and Holman just werent that good
Holmans wins over worn versions of Charles, Ray and Thompson arent impressive
Oma himself was battleweary and got overzealous once he dropped Satterfield and got caught with a counter, he didnt recover from