Tua vs Holyfield circa '96-'97?

there should be an age limit on here as well as an IQ limit, 12 year olds with peanut sized brains shouldnt comment on things they know nothing about, or things they assume they know about

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I do not rate Bowe as being below Tua, if that's what you are getting at. However, I do not rate him as high as many because of his spotty rise (having to low blow Pierre Coetzer into submission does not speak highly to me), his lack of discipline (Coetzer, Tillary), his inability to follow a game plan that suits his height and reach, and his atrocious selection of defenses (Michael Dokes looked like he had been embalmed)... The trash can bit didn't help either. The fact that he and Holyfield made a great stylistic match does not mean that either was in fact great on his own. Zale-Graziano is possibly the greatest trilogy of all-time but I do not rate Graziano as being a great middleweight.

As far as Shavers and the contention he KO'd some live bodies, the Norton he KO'd (already of suspect chin) would fight 3 more times, only winning once before calling it a day. The Ellis he beat would never beat another winning fighter and in fact only win two more times in his career. I don't think these "great victories" stack up to beating two future champs and one on the comeback trail.

 

ok my bad, i misread what you meant.

I dont rate Bowe that highly, not because i feel he wasnt good enough, because he had all the physical gifts and talent but because never utilised his full potential.

Tyson didnt reach his potential either but he is head and shoulders above Bowe. He had many mutual opponents with Bowe and he defeated every single one in much more dominant fashion (aside from Holyfield of course). Tyson was even more past it when he demolished Golota

 

Lets flip the script if you want to play it that way,

Francois Botha, gave Moorer a tough fight, same Moorer who beat Holyfield. Botha was schooling Tyson until he got caught. Holyfield fought Botha and demolished him, knocking him the **** out.

Triangle theories dont hold much weight in boxing.

 

Holyfield by U.D.

 

if holyfield came in serious, like against younger rahman, and not clowning/grinning about, he would have tua twisting and turning.

 

Let me puit it to you in a simpler manner.

Tua never beat a decent durable fighter his whole career. The few decent guys he did beat were schooling himm until they got caught, Holyfield aint getting caught or taken out, he has one of the bets chins ever, great recovery skills and the ability to box circles around Tua (as other lesser fighters did).

David Tua aint Dwight Qawi. Holyfield was drawn into brawling against lesser fighters like Cooper etc because he could afford to do so. When Holyfield knew he was up against threats, he would fight smart like Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Bowe 2 and Moorer.

Stop making Tua out to be something he wasnt, never was and never would be.

Holyfield is a fighter who regularly beat the odds, Tua lost everytime he stepped up.

The closest thing to a Holyfield type fighter that Tua fought was Ike. The closest thing to a Tua type fighter Holyfield fought was Tyson. Go figure.

Holyfield is leagues above him

go away and study a different sport

 

You havent watched anything and just making it up as you go along. Im not going to listen to a word of someone who tries to Justify that Tommy Morrison would beat Ali, like i said, go study a different sport.

David Tua isnt Riddick Bowe, firstly get that into your thick head. Tua has nothing on Bowe, Bowe was taller, a better boxer with a much longer reach, Holyfield had to brawl with him, he simply couldnt outbox him. Bowe always had Holyfields number stylewise.

Tua is garbage, he is not beating Holyfield, Tua hasnt beaten anyone remotely close to Holyfield.

Tua has lost to the best fighters he fought, holyfield beat the best fighters he fought.

Yes Holyfield has been dropped, by Riddick Bowe, Tua was dropped by Monte Barrett and your point is?

Holyfield was in his 40s when he fought Ruiz, the fact that you bring up Holyfields loss to him shows a) you dont know **** about boxing b) you lie about studying Holyfields career, otherwise you wouldnt have bought this point up.

This is my last post to you because your joining my ignore list. Your not worthy of my brain cells.

Now **** off back to General where garbage like you belongs.

 

Elroy take it easy on our very special friend's brain cells, the poor guy doesn't have too many left, especially ones that are still functioning.

 

Holyfield might be too brave for himself and try to prove critics wrong about not being able to go toe to toe with Tua. Tua's skull crushing left hook, if landed with full force, will heavily drop Holyfield ala Cooper.

 

Which is very like to happen over the course of a 12 round fight as Holyfield is accustomed to setting up the dinner table with the jab and eating with the straight right hand which leaves the right side of his face available for Tua to open up shop and feast with the left hook.

 

Ive seen a lot of trolls pass through here but none of them bombarded the classic like you have. There are guys here who **** more boxing knowledge than you will ever know.

 

Sometimes it seems that some are not looking at the whole picture in regard to certain fights.. Just checking out some youtube videos doesn't paint the entire picture.

 

Holyfield would most likely just stick and move with a couple of combos thrown here and there to a safe wide UD.

 

Im certin Holyfield could take a simple left hook out of the picture. If he couldn't , i guess i know nothing about box.