Tua vs. Jeffries

I think we may have a member on here.:think

 

Jeffries stated that Sharkey gave him so much trouble because he was all over him, never giving him chance to set himself. It must be remembered that 5'8" 185lbs Sharkey was easy to hit yet he went the distance twice for a total of 45rds with Jeffries, some said he deserved a draw in one of the fights.
Tua was typically 40/45lbs heavier than Sharkey, hit harder ,and had a better chin,though Jeffries was more proven in the fire ,imo.

I find it unreasonable to discount his chances completely here.

 

The only person to ever beat Jeffries (albeit a very rusty one) was Johnson. Was Tua as good as Johnson? I wonder if people actually the fighters they talk rubbish about!

 

Sharkey was considered so good he was called an uncrowned champion. Don't come much tougher than Tom Sharkey. They don't make fighters like that any more.

 

Sharkey lasted less than a total of 10rds in 2 fights with Fitz.

 

Sharkey was the Rocky Marciano of his times. You conveniently leave out that Jeffries was green in the first fight, and injured his left shoulder early in the 2nd round of a 25 round match after flooring Sharkey.

The 2nd fight would have been a TKO under modern rules.

Sharkey had 4x the heart and 5x the Stamina in comparison to Tua, who by the way is about 1 inch taller and just as easy if not easier to hit because he couldn't counter well.

Tua wasn't all over people in many of the mid or late rounds in a 12 round match. He was slow, a plodder, didn't risk enough when he was being hit, ect...

Tua had a big left hook with even less reach than Sharkey ( 70 " ). He's a one trick pony type, with a limited amount of stamina. While his one trick was huge, Jeffries durability greatly manages Tua's puncher's chance.

 

Sharkey was twice ,one punch ko'd by Fitzsimmons and stopped 5 times in his career. Anyone ever stop Marciano?

Anyone ever stop Tua?

You conveniently leave out that Sharkey was conceding 5 inches in height and 27lb s in weight to Jeffries ,you also leave out the fact that he fought their second fight with a broken finger.
Tua is 5'10", 2 inches taller than Sharkey,considerably heavier and harder hitting ,and definitely more durable.
Tua was slow and a plodder? Sharkey was wide open and did not have Tua's handspeed ,watch the Ibeabuchi fight!Limited stamina ? Do you think Sharkey ever fought at the pace Tua and Ike did? Do you think he ever came close to that punch rate?

We know you boost Jeffries opponents to laud Jeffries ,just try and keep it within the realms of realism. You always stray into fantasy land

 

There is a debate over what happened in Sharkey vs Fitz one. Most of the times Sharkey was stopped, he was past his prime.

Marciano never fought a puncher on Sharkey's level, and he retired in his prime. Ring Magazine not only listed Sharkey as a top 100 all time puncher, they did a separate article on chins and place him on the list as well.

Yes, but you have to go to the amateurs. Would you like to take a look?

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v21Ilh7AjcE[/url]

Now read this, Rahman floored Tua, and easily outboxed him.

The only reason Tua beat him in the first fight was because he caught Rahman after a bell. Rhaman also floored Tua in the second fight

Maskeav did the same thing ( out box Tua ) and had the lead after 10 rounds, then he ran out of gas. Do you understand?

Now, unless you think Rhaman and Maskeav had durability and stamina equal to Jeffries, Tua's chances of winning take a hit.

The guy punked out vs Chris Bryd for Pete's sake and didn't press it vs Lewis at all. That's David Tua. One fight vs Ike is Tua's lone outing when he showed stamina and he lost it.

Tua is about 5'9" tall. He's very short. Ask Seamus. Jeffries would have a similar height and reach advantage vs Tua as he did with Sharkey.

Jeffries went into the Sharkey fight with an ailing shoulder. When did Sharkey break a finger? Prove this, and if he did, the injury wasn't as bad as his head and face and ribs, which were beaten badly by Jeffries who pretty much had one good arm for the fight.

The extra weight Tua has was fat. He would have been best at 220

For most fights after the early rounds, yes.

LOL, Tua would never make in fighting outdoors or in non air conditioned areas as Sharkey did. His punch output would be significantly less, and he's probably injury his hands with the ****py gloves used in Sharkey's day too.

All your conveniently left out points and questions have been answered.

Don't you have lawn furniture to re-arrange today?

 

You compared Sharkey to Marciano, calling him the Marciano of his day.Sharkey was stopped 5 times in52 fights twice by a super middleweight and once by a guy having his first fight!.Marciano was never stopped in 49 fights. Tua was never stopped as a professional fighter I couldn't care less about the amateurs. Tua is more durable than Sharkey ever was, he hits a damn sight harder and is 45lbs heavier in shape.
What are Sharkey's best wins?
What are his best kos?
Why do you say Sharkey was faster than Tua
what do you base that on?
Tua is 5'10"
2 inches taller than Sharkey
.Tua had a good right hand to go with his left hook, watch his fights.
Here is Tua bombarding Gary Bell with big shots from both hands , and he sure doesn't look slow here!
Rahman floored lot of people ,did he stop Tua in either fight ?
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You talk sh*t.

 

I actually think that this is an excellent point.

The outdoor arenas have wreaked havoc with the likes of Ray Robinson, Bob Fitzsimmons and Jack Johnson, at various stagesof the careers. I dare say they would cause some damage with many of the skilled modern heavyweights.

 

Especially the ones who carry extra weight and don't have a lot of activity in the mid to later rounds as Tua showed.

Sometimes I play pick up basketball. I can go full court inside no problem for over an hour, but put me out in the sun and heat and my and pretty much everyone else out there activity declines.

I really think much of the board does not understand the hardship old timers had to deal with.

1 ) Outdoor heat, or non-airconditioned areas.

2 ) @rappy gloves that didn't protect the hands as well, and often split or were marked up which created more cuts.

3 ) No gum shields to help absorb the blows, keep your teeth or prevent cuts in the mouth.

4 ) 25 round fights, double the amount we see today. It was like running a marathon while getting hit at the same time.

5 ) If you got a cut, you're out of luck back then as they didn't use that paste like stuff to slow them down.

6 ) Swelling? There was no enswell back then either. For some reason they didn't use a water bottle on the filmed fights I've seen and if they did it was seldom.

7 ) Get hit with a low blow, those darn metal cups did more harm than good.

8 ) Rougher in-fighting is allowed. Fewer breaks.

9 ) Less quality rings, and a harder canvas to move on.

10 ) Ref's were slower to stop fights.

Back then the ring was no country for the faint hearted!

Harry Wills said he'd never fight under the old time conditions.

 

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It's only people like Mrkoolkevin/Glover who don't really understand.

 

Then again, he also thinks Lewis was to small to beat Wladimir, :roll: I wouldn't take anything he says to seriously. :-(